<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons
I was wondering how certain rules interacted. Heavy Weapons state "if the model moved in the preceeding Movement Phase" for reducing the users BS. Gate of Infinity makes no mention of the unit 'moving as if in the movement phase' just that they're placed anywhere on the table 9" away from an enemy unit.

Does Gate of Infinity bypass the Heavy Weapons BS modifier for moving?
Is normal "Deepstrike" and equivalents effected by it, since their placement occurs in the Movement Phase?

Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453794.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons
Psychic "movement" powers ignore all Movement phase restrictions. So you can GoI out of melee, they can then move, shoot, and charge in those phases of your turn. No -1 for heavy weapons (for the GoI, if you move the unit in the Movement phase it comes into play), no giving up a charge or shooting phase due to fall back. Just watch your Advance moves messing you up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453851.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons
I never thought of using it to get out of combat, that sounds situationally fantastic. Like if you're stuck in combat with something more killy than your Knights, or using it to last second grab objectives. I'll have to keep that in mind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9453864.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons GoI is "Hit and Run" on steroids.

SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454865.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454890.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons
That said, the Grey Knight tactica thread has a bit of discussion on this same issue. The 'DO' get -1 camp points to the side paragraph on Reinforcements saying you get the -1 if you setup on the battlefield that turn.

I think that only applies to reserves (in essence) but the argument is there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9454904.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons GoI, etc. all have wording that is pretty close and mention to take an existing unit on the board and "set it up" outside 9" from any enemy model. In REINFORCEMENTS it states it takes up the entire movement of that unit. It does state that it can happen in other phases.

However, this is under REINFORCEMENTS, all the rules in that section are specifically for reinforcements, that is units which are being held in reserve, whether to be summoned, deep strike, or otherwise come on to the table/board for the first time in the game. I don't think one can reasonably argue that a rule for reinforcements would apply to units which have already been set-up on the board. They are not, afterall, reinforcements.

tl;dr: We agree. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455232.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons GoI does not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455263.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455332.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons GW has been pretty inconsistent with wording for abilities that for all intents and purposes are the same or at least look like the same, but wording differs.

Sideshow, actually, it states that it gives the penalty and cannot move at ALL regardless of which phase they come in because they are "reserves" or reinforcements.

However, I don't think anyone would argue that a Tervigon which is replacing Gaunts would count those models making the whole unit count as having being set up during that phase/turn and thus suffer all consequences of being "Set Up" during that turn...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9455424.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons GoI comes with any penalty. Re-positioning your units outside of the movement phase is not a move action unless it specifically says so in the specific rule. IE, Da Jump]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457087.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons
Pedroig wrote:
Audustrum, that could be a valid point, it depends on the wording, Jump, Warptime, GoI, etc. all have wording that is pretty close and mention to take an existing unit on the board and "set it up" outside 9" from any enemy model. In REINFORCEMENTS it states it takes up the entire movement of that unit. It does state that it can happen in other phases.

However, this is under REINFORCEMENTS, all the rules in that section are specifically for reinforcements, that is units which are being held in reserve, whether to be summoned, deep strike, or otherwise come on to the table/board for the first time in the game. I don't think one can reasonably argue that a rule for reinforcements would apply to units which have already been set-up on the board. They are not, afterall, reinforcements.

tl;dr: We agree.

I don't see anything in the Reinforcements rules that says they don't apply to things that were already on the board. All they care about is whether a unit was "set up on the battlefield" mid-turn. Gate of Infinity says that you take a unit and "immediately set it up anywhere on the battlefield". This seems pretty cut and dry.

Two other minor points:
1. Gate of Infinity doesn't just transport a unit from one spot on the battlefield to another. There's an intervening step. First, you "remove that unit from the battlefield". So, really, the unit is arriving as a reinforcement from the same place that any other deep striker would. Part of the effect of the power is to take a unit that's not on the battlefield and set it up on the battlefield.
2. Clearly the Reinforcements rules intend to apply to Deep Striking that happens even outside of the Movement phase. So what are they talking about if not stuff like this?

So it seems to me that this is pretty clear, RAW, and also it seems pretty clear that it is intended to essentially be a Deep Strike.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457139.page GMT Gate of Infinity vs "Deep Strike" equivalents and Heavy Weapons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/730400/9457152.page GMT