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Superheavy Detachment +3CP
An,ggrath Daemon Lord of Bloodthirsters - 700
Khorne Lord Of Skulls Daemongore Cannon, Skullhurler - 534
Renegade Knight Avenger Gatling Cannon, Stormspear Rocket Pod, Reaper Chainsword, Heavy Flamer, Meltagun - 524
Auxilary Support Detachment -1CP
Belakor - 240
Total - 1998

The idea is that I'm presenting the opponent with three unappealing targets all with T8 and invulnerable saves meaning they should have alot of unfavourable weapon matchups. Belakor will be hiding behind as a character to avoid the enemy fire.
Between them they put out alot of firepower and will obliterate more or less anything in assault, Angg'rath has a pretty reasonable chance of a turn one assault between his 16" move and good placement. Belakor can warptime the lord of skull making it very likely to reach the enemy on the first turn.
With only four drops I'm likely to always gain the +1 for going first.

The downside is its not so hot at objective grabbing but all the large models are big enough to completely cover them if they get to them first and everything moves very fast.

There is an alternative list where I take a standard daemon prince and a small unit of cultists instead of Belakor. I gain a extra unit (which screams first blood) that I can use as a small screen and an extra command point as I doesn't need to take the Aux detachment. Also the Prince can be alot more survivable if I make him the warlord which allows him access to relics of chaos and I give him the 2+ save regenerating Iron Warriors armour. But this means I can't make Angg'rath my warlord and give him the 6+ FNP trait which he can make good use of.

Let me know what you think? Too gimicky or worth a shot.
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However I would love to see how this does on the table. The high toughness, large wound count and speed will cause a major headache. Especially if your opponent isn't packing much heavy multiwound firepower.

And it's so gimmicky it's worth a shot. At the very least you'll get to enjoy a day of opponents looking at you like you are some kind of madman and that's always fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557318.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557318.page GMT
Thats kind of why I'd like to try it, I usually play a variety of Imperial soup at these local tournaments and whilst my fairly balanced all rounder lists always seem to do well, in a one day event winning all your games doesn't guarantee a top spot. Its a pretty competitive crowd and usually a couple of players score max in most of their games (often by tabling) so I'm thinking of trying a new approach.
With the open forgeworld there is often some massive models like giant Tau suits and revenant titans, this combined with the random book missions makes me think this list may have a chance.
My main worry would be handling massive hordes but the Lord of skulls can get a huge amount of attacks if he puts his mind to it.

The other bonus is it should be really quick to play which is never a bad thing :-) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557373.page GMT

Against the hordes you'll have your wound, high toughness and saves to keep you protected from them. I mean a mob of 30 boys piling in are only going to put a handful of wounds on you thanks to toughness 8 meaning wounds on 6's. You should be able to save or shrug off most of them and smack back for some fair damage.

Big Tau suits may be an issue, I know my supremacy suit was a beast in 7th but not yet rolled it out for 8th (I save it for 3k+ casual games otherwise its a douche move ). Something like that could have the potential to put the hurt on you.

Grabbing objectives is going to be a pain. But belakor could probably make a good go of that flying around as needed. Though I'd advocate getting everything into combat asap.

I guess it comes down to this. Do you want to take something that should be unique, amusing and interesting to play or do you want to try and build the most competitive list possible to go for the prize?

Me personally. I;d be all over trying this at a local tourny just for the gaks and giggles nature of it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9557651.page GMT
Lord of skulls, daemongore cannon, hades gatling cannon
Renegade Knight Styrix
Renegade Knight, 2x avenger gatling cannons + heavy flamers, stormspear rocket pod
Belakor
12 brimstone horrors + 1 blue horror
11 brimstone horrors + 1 blue horror

Some troops to hold objectives (if the enemy wants to waste shots on 3 points models with 4++, let him...), a lot more shooty]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9566587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9566587.page GMT
On that topic, do you have any of these models yet?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567541.page GMT https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamClueless40K?feature=mhee it's not till the end of september though.

I already own Angg'rath, the Knight and Belakor with all of them fully painted (other than Ang's axe) and a mate of mine has a really nicely painted Lord of skulls that I can borrow so the list is good to go :-)

At this point I'm waiting for them to make a decision on the exact missions and scoring format to make sure this is viable, the other option is a Girlyman list with some devastators and guard backup which doesn't seem as fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567721.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9567805.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569403.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569440.page GMT UK about 5 years ago then perhaps I own him
If so know that he has a place on honour on the top shelf of my miniature cabinet and has harvested many skulls in his time with me ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9569546.page GMT FYI... I played your list over the weekend.
I didn't feel like putting together a list, but a buddy REALLY wanted to play a 2000 point game.
I remembered reading this, and that it was a quick & easy list to put together (and I had the models).

He played a Thousand Sons army.
The good thing this army had against T-Sons was that, witht all of the multi-wound attacks, he didn't get the benefit that T-Sons get against single wound attacks.

His army consisted of:
Magnus
2 Exalted Sorcerers
2x (5 man) Terminator units
3x (10 man) Rubric marines.

By the end of turn 4, it was a complete tabling... by the Thousand Sons.

All the Mortal Wounds he was throwing out with spells, combined with his greater amount of shots... he just annihilated the army.
Magnus SHOULD have died. On Turn 3, I got Ang' into combat with him. Magnus hits and wounds on 2+ in combat. Ang' ALMOST killed him, and would've, had he not taken a lot of wounds to shooting (even at 4+ Inv, you just can't make ALL your saves). But he failed on his second round of attacks (only 3 got through Magnus' Invulnerable, and I only rolled a total of 5 wounds for all 3 - and was out of CP by then).

Lord of Skulls never saw combat. Never got an armor save, and a 5+ Invulnerable is minimal protection. Died on turn 2. Failed to explode.
Knight couldn't get his charge in on turn 2. Tried. Failed. Bottom of 2, Magnus charged him and cleaved him right down the middle. Again... failed to explode.

Be'lakor took a bunch of mortal wounds when a nearby sorcerer rolled box cars and was dragged into the warp on a 6. Couldn't withstand the shooting that followed. At that point, it was down to him and Ang.

The upside to the army... Ang's 2 denials with +3 was a great offset to Magnus +2 on his spells. But, with just him and Be'lakor to deny.... denying spells was difficult against T-Sons.
It was a cityfight table, so the terrain was a bit of a hindrance but, really, the results would have been the same on a different table... the Super Friends would've just taken more T-Sons with them.

If you find yourself against Magnus at any point, try to shoot him dead if you can. Even against Ang', he's got a fighting chance!

Eric]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9576903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9576903.page GMT
I really wanted to try Magnus, expected perhaps an opposing lord of war... was not expecting 3 lords of war! It was daunting to setup against all of that!

It was a thick city terrain and most of the Tsons ground pounders could find cover or get out of LoS at deploy.

Tsons approach was hang back a bit, stay out of range of magic denial bubble as much as possible early, toll out the smites, divide and conquer as soon as we could wreck the first big fatty. Picked off the Lord of skulls and sat back, let the threats present themselves, try and focus all the tsons on a single target per turn. Knight followed by, Belakore and finished with angrath.

In our gaming group, it seems most lists can focus efforts and kill most things in one turn. The 4-models list is very much a toys before boys style of game, and it leaves itself open to alpha strike lists and bubble wrapped anything as it struggles to get dug in with what it wants to get to.

I was encouraged following the match actually. I'm glad the Tsons build with a single LoW was able to prevail... Magnus was near dead and had it not been for critical dice at the right time, he would have died. However, both from a mission, and model count, it was good to see hte 4-models perish by turn 4. It speaks to the health of 8th, despite this kind of list being possible.

PS - all models were painted to a very high Standard... Magical, I didn't think about it - but you should have snapped a shot of the battlefield.

Next time you use an interwebz list... or this list... you should photo for the thread! I just hope someone else gets to receive the test next time. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9576946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/736580/9576946.page GMT Tac... I'm printing and laminating a copy. Next time someone says to just "throw something together," I know what I'm throwing together. LOL

Other than that, you won't see any interwebz lists from me. You know I care about the fun and not the winning. LOL

Eric
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