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How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

orchewer — GMT

So I recently invested in a sizable number of Chaos Possessed with my singular strategy being:

1. Move them their full movement
2. Supporting Daemon Prince "Warp Times" them
3. Advance them (using Command Points if need be)
4. Charge

Needless to say, this will be mainly for casual games. However, it got me curious. Let's assume that I have set up a full-sized squad of Possessed opposite of your army with their tentacles writhing, jaws slobbering, and claws snapping. Let's also assume:
- Both of our armies are 1000 points
- Our main lines are 24" away from each other, not including any infiltrating units you may have
- There is nothing else in my army worth killing at the moment
- I will use two command points to auto-pass any morale tests you may inflict on the Possessed
- You have the first turn
- The dice gods are favourable and I will cross those 24" in my next turn

How do you take out my unit of Possessed and how much of your army would you have to use?

Bonus points if you can also take down the Winged Daemon Prince with them.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Eldarain — GMT

Play Alpha Legion and start them on their doorstep.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Perth — GMT

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [17 PL, 320pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Commander [3 PL, 31pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword

+ Troops +

Conscripts [6 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript

+ Elites +

Commissar [2 PL, 31pts]: Boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Basilisks [6 PL, 108pts]
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

++ Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Astra Telepathica) [1 PL, 15pts] ++

+ Elites +

Astropath [1 PL, 15pts]: Laspistol, Psychic Barrier

++ Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Officio Assassinorum) [5 PL, 90pts] ++

+ Elites +

Vindicare Assassin [5 PL, 90pts]

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [29 PL, 573pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard

+ HQ +

Captain [5 PL, 78pts]: Power sword, The Primarch's Wrath

+ Elites +

Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon

Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

++ Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - FW Adeptus Astartes) ++

++ Total: [52 PL, 998pts] ++

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That's the list I just took to a shop tournament, should kill 13ish a turn from 24 away. Granted, that list is probably meaner than most you'd run into.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

argonak — GMT

orchewer wrote:
So I recently invested in a sizable number of Chaos Possessed with my singular strategy being:

1. Move them their full movement
2. Supporting Daemon Prince "Warp Times" them
3. Advance them (using Command Points if need be)
4. Charge

Needless to say, this will be mainly for casual games. However, it got me curious. Let's assume that I have set up a full-sized squad of Possessed opposite of your army with their tentacles writhing, jaws slobbering, and claws snapping. Let's also assume:
- Both of our armies are 1000 points
- Our main lines are 24" away from each other, not including any infiltrating units you may have
- There is nothing else in my army worth killing at the moment
- I will use two command points to auto-pass any morale tests you may inflict on the Possessed
- You have the first turn
- The dice gods are favourable and I will cross those 24" in my next turn

How do you take out my unit of Possessed and how much of your army would you have to use?

Bonus points if you can also take down the Winged Daemon Prince with them.

Are Possessed the same as the ones in the index? I only have those stats handy.

1 W, 3+ Save, T4., 5+ Invuln. 22 points a piece. DP is probably around 200 points.

So you have roughly 600 points invested in that?

4 Taurox Primes, gatlin guns, HSVG, and Stormbolters is only 400 points.

88 S4 AP0 shots, 64 S4 AP -2 shots. At BS4+.

That looks like 18 dead the first turn turn at 24", and that's assuming I move my Tauroxes. You've still got your daemon prince though, so I'll shoot him on the second turn.

Good enough?

edit: I messed up and gave them double their normal number of HSVGs. Oops. Only 32 S4 AP-2 shots. I should have known that was way too many wounds.

Anyway, 12 wounds total for 4 TPs with Gatlin guns, Storm bolters, and HSVGs, after moving. That leaves you 14 guys. Not bad I guess. Assuming you get your charge off, which is no guarantee, you'll take out one taurox.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Eldarain — GMT

They have 2 wounds now.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

jcd386 — GMT

Why 1000 points?

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

koooaei — GMT

Their durability ain't terrible. But their damage output is pretty meh for how much they cost. I play orks so i think 1 mob will just eat charge and there will still be around half the mob left to strike back. Than the second one will hit the fray and we'll grind 40 t4 3+ wounds across the game. 30 boyz will kill around 6-7 possessed per phase. 20 possessed will kill 8-26 boyz from the bauble wrap squad. So, it's not really that easy to kill possessed with boyz but i'm positive that 2*30 can do it more or less reliably. However, it still depends on the rolling. Mostly on d3 attacks.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Captyn_Bob — GMT

Possessed an be tweaked in all sorts of ways..

Alpha legion for -1 to hit over 12" and allows a forward deployment stratagem (Which can get you a T1 charge without warptime)
WE for extra charging attack
Renegade allows advance and charge to really move across the entire board.

Tzeentch, allows a -1 to hit from changling, can also benefit from +1 to invun save power.
Nurgle has a power allows -1 to hit (stacks with AL)

Khorne, 3cp strat allows you to fight twice, if damage output is an issue.

Use Veterans of the Long war strat to get +1 to wound and up damage output.

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Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

p5freak — GMT

10 razorbacks with twin assault cannons are 1000 pts. Thats 120 shots at S6 AP-1 D1. Should be enough to take down everything you have first turn.

Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

pismakron — GMT

p5freak wrote:
10 razorbacks with twin assault cannons are 1000 pts. Thats 120 shots at S6 AP-1 D1. Should be enough to take down everything you have first turn.

Do you regularly run an army of only razorbacks?

Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

p5freak — GMT

pismakron wrote:

Do you regularly run an army of only razorbacks?

No, i dont. The requirement was 1000 pts., nothing else.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Klowny — GMT

1x naked lord,
12 scarabs
18 tomb blades 9 w/ Tesla, 9 w/ Gauss

36 S5 ap-2 D1 shots from the gauss, 3+-2+
36 S5 ap-0 D1 shots with 6's proccing more shots, average of 42 hits, again 3+-2+

If any survive they wont charge my TB, as the scarabs will screen them, then just fall back and finish them off the next turn

And yes, I run tomb blade/scarab spam alot. Muchly effective

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

tinfoil — GMT

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Tzeentch, allows a -1 to hit from changling, can also benefit from +1 to invun save power.
Nurgle has a power allows -1 to hit (stacks with AL)

The way I read things, the Changeling -1 to hit bubble will protect Tz-marked possessed, but they will not gain the +1 invuln, as they do not get "Ephemeral Form" in their codex description. Or were you thinking of a Weaver of Fates psy-cast from a nearby sorcerer?

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Xenomancers — GMT

My 1000 point ultramarine will probably consist of 15 intersessors Calgar chronus in a las auto pred and 2 vindicators.

I would deploy everything out of your turn 1 charge range then step up and blast you on turn 2. Looking like about 15 kills. The invo save really helps you here though.

Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Kithail — GMT

3 5x Vanguard Veteran Squads kitted out with plasma pistols and power swords, Sarges with Thunder Hammers, with Kayvan Shrike and a JP Lieutenant.

The Possessed squad is going to eat my entire alpha strike, but depending on the charge I can pretty much mulch it up.

It's 15 plasma overcharged rerolling to hit and to wound, 2 damage each. Then it's 3 units rerolling charges...I guess depends on how charge rolls go.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Timeshadow — GMT

I would use my spearhead
Malanthrope
4x brood of 3 Biovores
2x Exocrine

12 Biovores hit on 4+ that's on average 7 mortal wounds plus 6 spore mines I get to place in your charge path disrupting your charge so you can't get to my army for an extra turn.

2 Exocrines fire 24 shots hitting on 3+ that's 18 hits ave -3 rend 2 dmg each str 7 so wounding on 3's that's 10 more dead.

So 3-4 dead from the biovores and 10 dead from the exocrines. lets say 13 dead out of 20? leaving you 7 and your prince but you also are blocked/disrupted by the 6 sproemines in your movement path. Your Deamon prince could still make it to assault one of my exocrines maby dbl assault an Exo and a brood of 3 Biovores but your possessed wouldn't make it. Next turn your remaining marines would die to my remaining firepower. Your DP might be able to kill the Exo or the brood of 3 bios but likely not both and they would likely put a wound or 3 on him. Then next turn whatever I had left engaged with the DP would fall back and the rest would fire at him and assault to finish.

Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

BrainCandy — GMT

10 dark reapers
Yvraine
Farseer.

606 points.

That's going to be 40 str5 -2 damage2 shots with rerolling hits and wounds. If any of those possessed live through that, the rest of my army should pick up the slack.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Kitane — GMT

40 Spore Mines for 400 pts.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Crazy Jay — GMT

Without doing the hard math, 3 Dark Talons would make pretty short work of them and that's only 564pts.

Re:How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Spoletta — GMT

Noticed a lot of wrong assumptions in the thread, so i will go over some of the proposed lists:

p5freak wrote:10 razorbacks with twin assault cannons are 1000 pts. Thats 120 shots at S6 AP-1 D1. Should be enough to take down everything you have first turn.

6-7 possessed survive on average.

Klowny wrote:1x naked lord,
12 scarabs
18 tomb blades 9 w/ Tesla, 9 w/ Gauss

36 S5 ap-2 D1 shots from the gauss, 3+-2+
36 S5 ap-0 D1 shots with 6's proccing more shots, average of 42 hits, again 3+-2+

If any survive they wont charge my TB, as the scarabs will screen them, then just fall back and finish them off the next turn

And yes, I run tomb blade/scarab spam alot. Muchly effective

That kind of fire takes down less than 10 possessed.

Kithail wrote:3 5x Vanguard Veteran Squads kitted out with plasma pistols and power swords, Sarges with Thunder Hammers, with Kayvan Shrike and a JP Lieutenant.

The Possessed squad is going to eat my entire alpha strike, but depending on the charge I can pretty much mulch it up.

It's 15 plasma overcharged rerolling to hit and to wound, 2 damage each. Then it's 3 units rerolling charges...I guess depends on how charge rolls go.

15 overcharged plasma shots kill 7,8 possessed. I don't think that it would be a good idea to charge a unit of 12 possessed when you are not sure how many veterans can get there.

Timeshadow wrote:I would use my spearhead
Malanthrope
4x brood of 3 Biovores
2x Exocrine

12 Biovores hit on 4+ that's on average 7 mortal wounds plus 6 spore mines I get to place in your charge path disrupting your charge so you can't get to my army for an extra turn.

2 Exocrines fire 24 shots hitting on 3+ that's 18 hits ave -3 rend 2 dmg each str 7 so wounding on 3's that's 10 more dead.

So 3-4 dead from the biovores and 10 dead from the exocrines. lets say 13 dead out of 20? leaving you 7 and your prince but you also are blocked/disrupted by the 6 sproemines in your movement path. Your Deamon prince could still make it to assault one of my exocrines maby dbl assault an Exo and a brood of 3 Biovores but your possessed wouldn't make it. Next turn your remaining marines would die to my remaining firepower. Your DP might be able to kill the Exo or the brood of 3 bios but likely not both and they would likely put a wound or 3 on him. Then next turn whatever I had left engaged with the DP would fall back and the rest would fire at him and assault to finish.

They have a 5++, so the exocrines would take out 8. The surviving unit of 9 possessed is hardly hindered by 6 spore mines, they will not lose more than an inch, remember that they move 2 times before charging.

BrainCandy wrote:10 dark reapers
Yvraine
Farseer.

606 points.

That's going to be 40 str5 -2 damage2 shots with rerolling hits and wounds. If any of those possessed live through that, the rest of my army should pick up the slack.

This one actually works.

Crazy Jay wrote:Without doing the hard math, 3 Dark Talons would make pretty short work of them and that's only 564pts.

They get close to killing the unit (17- 18 dead), but only if they perform 3 bombing runs. The weapons alone won't do much.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

C4790M — GMT

Tyranid Patrol
Swarmlord
Random troops unit

Genestealer Cult Supreme Command
Patriarch
Magus
Acolyte Iconward
20x Purestrain Genestealers

Swarmlord, Magus and random troop unit deploy as close to enemy as possible, genestealers, iconward and patriarch go in reserves.

Swarmlord and magus move their full movement towards the enemy, patriarch ambushes with the purestrains. If the ambush roll is good, they get within charge range. If its bad, the attempt to either get out of your threat range or bubble wrap the Swarmlord and magus. The iconward attempts to ambush close to the purestrains.

Swarmlord casts catalyst on the purestrains giving them a 5++ and the horror on your unit giving them -1 to hit, Magus casts mass Hypnosis giving them another -1, and making them fight last even if they charge. The patriarch casts might from beyond on the purestrains giving them +1 strength and +1 attack

Charge phase and the purestrains, patriarch and Swarmlord all charge. 20 purestrains with might from beyond cast on them results in 27.7 wounds on average. The patriarch deals another 4.4 wounds for a total of 32.1 wounds, not factoring in the possible bonuses from monstrous/rending claws on wounds of 6. The Swarmlord the deals another 10.2 wounds.

This is enough to take them down I think? (This is assuming t4/3+ with 5+ invuln and 2w).

If they aren't taken out or if the ambush goes south, you then have to chew through 20 purestrains while at -2 to hit, fighting last due to mass hypnosis, and they have a 5+ invulnerable, and both a 5+ and a 6+ feel no pain (from catalyst and the iconward) dealing 3.6 wounds on average. If you attempt to attack any of the Genestealer Cult character the Genestealers intervene on a 3+. If you attack the Swarmlord, then the Genestealers are all still alive next turn.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

rollawaythestone — GMT

C4790M wrote:
Tyranid Patrol
Swarmlord
Random troops unit

Genestealer Cult Supreme Command
Patriarch
Magus
Acolyte Iconward
20x Purestrain Genestealers

Swarmlord, Magus and random troop unit deploy as close to enemy as possible, genestealers, iconward and patriarch go in reserves.

Swarmlord and magus move their full movement towards the enemy, patriarch ambushes with the purestrains. If the ambush roll is good, they get within charge range. If its bad, the attempt to either get out of your threat range or bubble wrap the Swarmlord and magus. The iconward attempts to ambush close to the purestrains.

Swarmlord casts catalyst on the purestrains giving them a 5++ and the horror on your unit giving them -1 to hit, Magus casts mass Hypnosis giving them another -1, and making them fight last even if they charge. The patriarch casts might from beyond on the purestrains giving them +1 strength and +1 attack

Charge phase and the purestrains, patriarch and Swarmlord all charge. 20 purestrains with might from beyond cast on them results in 27.7 wounds on average. The patriarch deals another 4.4 wounds for a total of 32.1 wounds, not factoring in the possible bonuses from monstrous/rending claws on wounds of 6. The Swarmlord the deals another 10.2 wounds.

This is enough to take them down I think? (This is assuming t4/3+ with 5+ invuln and 2w).

If they aren't taken out or if the ambush goes south, you then have to chew through 20 purestrains while at -2 to hit, fighting last due to mass hypnosis, and they have a 5+ invulnerable, and both a 5+ and a 6+ feel no pain (from catalyst and the iconward) dealing 3.6 wounds on average. If you attempt to attack any of the Genestealer Cult character the Genestealers intervene on a 3+. If you attack the Swarmlord, then the Genestealers are all still alive next turn.

Swarmlord can't cast powers, or use his Hive Commander, on Genestealer Cult units because they are not units. That said, a blob of Genestealers will rip through most everything with a Patriarch/Broodlord nearby.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Timeshadow — GMT

rollawaythestone wrote:
C4790M wrote:
Tyranid Patrol
Swarmlord
Random troops unit

Genestealer Cult Supreme Command
Patriarch
Magus
Acolyte Iconward
20x Purestrain Genestealers

Swarmlord, Magus and random troop unit deploy as close to enemy as possible, genestealers, iconward and patriarch go in reserves.

Swarmlord and magus move their full movement towards the enemy, patriarch ambushes with the purestrains. If the ambush roll is good, they get within charge range. If its bad, the attempt to either get out of your threat range or bubble wrap the Swarmlord and magus. The iconward attempts to ambush close to the purestrains.

Swarmlord casts catalyst on the purestrains giving them a 5++ and the horror on your unit giving them -1 to hit, Magus casts mass Hypnosis giving them another -1, and making them fight last even if they charge. The patriarch casts might from beyond on the purestrains giving them +1 strength and +1 attack

Charge phase and the purestrains, patriarch and Swarmlord all charge. 20 purestrains with might from beyond cast on them results in 27.7 wounds on average. The patriarch deals another 4.4 wounds for a total of 32.1 wounds, not factoring in the possible bonuses from monstrous/rending claws on wounds of 6. The Swarmlord the deals another 10.2 wounds.

This is enough to take them down I think? (This is assuming t4/3+ with 5+ invuln and 2w).

If they aren't taken out or if the ambush goes south, you then have to chew through 20 purestrains while at -2 to hit, fighting last due to mass hypnosis, and they have a 5+ invulnerable, and both a 5+ and a 6+ feel no pain (from catalyst and the iconward) dealing 3.6 wounds on average. If you attempt to attack any of the Genestealer Cult character the Genestealers intervene on a 3+. If you attack the Swarmlord, then the Genestealers are all still alive next turn.

Swarmlord can't cast powers, or use his Hive Commander, on Genestealer Cult units because they are not units. That said, a blob of Genestealers will rip through most everything with a Patriarch/Broodlord nearby.

Actually he can cast powers Tyranid psykers can target Tyranid KW (which GSC have) not Hive fleet, Hive commander does not work on them though...

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They have a 5++, so the exocrines would take out 8. The surviving unit of 9 possessed is hardly hindered by 6 spore mines, they will not lose more than an inch, remember that they move 2 times before charging.

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Each Spore mine has a 1" base and can be placed 2.5" apart to prevent your Possessed from passing between them this gives them a massive 18.5" spread total. They can surround your possessed and if they are fired last can make sure to be as in the way as possible. All that can be done is ether shoot a gap (which prevents you from moving past) or go around which even with dbl move has you gaining nearly no ground. After which if you don't deal with them they will move into 3" and explode in your faces causing even more damage. Spore mine blockades are no joke.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Spoletta — GMT

Timeshadow wrote:

Each Spore mine has a 1" base and can be placed 2.5" apart to prevent your Possessed from passing between them this gives them a massive 18.5" spread total. They can surround your possessed and if they are fired last can make sure to be as in the way as possible. All that can be done is ether shoot a gap (which prevents you from moving past) or go around which even with dbl move has you gaining nearly no ground. After which if you don't deal with them they will move into 3" and explode in your faces causing even more damage. Spore mine blockades are no joke.

I guess it depends on how spread out that unit of 20 was initially, and how you remove casualties in response to the placing of the missed mines.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Timeshadow — GMT

Spoletta wrote:
Timeshadow wrote:

Each Spore mine has a 1" base and can be placed 2.5" apart to prevent your Possessed from passing between them this gives them a massive 18.5" spread total. They can surround your possessed and if they are fired last can make sure to be as in the way as possible. All that can be done is ether shoot a gap (which prevents you from moving past) or go around which even with dbl move has you gaining nearly no ground. After which if you don't deal with them they will move into 3" and explode in your faces causing even more damage. Spore mine blockades are no joke.

I guess it depends on how spread out that unit of 20 was initially, and how you remove casualties in response to the placing of the missed mines.

If the unit is very spread out it is stuck until the whole unit can get around the edge of the spore mines. If it's concentrated they get surrounded by the spore mines.

How Quickly Can Your Army Kill a 20-Man Squad of Possessed Chaos Marines?

Tautastic — GMT

I would go with:
6 units of 3 Shadow Spectres
Farseer

About 550pts

That is 18 heavy flamers plus doom. If you do survive that...good luck charging them

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Talinsin — GMT

6 GK Strike Squads (falchions), 1 Grand Master NDK (psycannon & psilencer)
3 Strikes on table, 3 Teleporting
GMNDK gates forward & Smites with 3 Strikes for 12 mortal wounds (possessed are daemons right?)
Storm Bolters shoot 90 (only 3 squads in rapid fire) for ~12 unsaved wounds
GMNDK shoots for ~ 6 unsaved
3 Strikes (one CP reroll) and GMDK (reroll warlord trait) assault to mop up the remaining 5
If a strike squad makes it in, ~2 possessed die (assuming unlucky d3's)
If GMNDK makes it in, 3-4 die.
Assuming I didn't screw my math, that ~850 points kills them on average rolls. The charges make it pretty swingy, but even if they fail the squad is neutered.

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Ecdain — GMT

10 x malefic lords
Changeling
3 x 20 horrors (19 brim + 1 blue)
1 x 17 horrors(16 brim + 1 blue)

649/1000

Summon in either 7 E Flamers, 2 daemonprinces, or 2 x 20 bloodletters+herald

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Badablack — GMT

What makes Possessed strong isn't just their improved stat profile. It's that they can double dip from Daemon and Marine codexes. You can cast double healing powers from both nurgle disciplines, throw every sort of HQ with them, they benefit from Epidemius, they're the most force-multipliable unit in the game.