em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I highly recommend doing at least one single group of Taser Dragoons to take maximum advantage of Conquerer Doctrina strategem. This will let them trigger their Tasers on 4+.

And I think you might want to mix/match the autocannons and lascannons. You also might want to cluster them up a bit too so you can make them most of Protector Doctrina strategem. This means you get +2 to-hit, which is stellar. You can move and shoot that way or hunker down and really improve your shooting with Cawl nearby.

Maybe go for 4 Lascannons and the rest Autocannons, with one Neutronager and one Icarus? A good mix means losing any one thing won't undercut your ability to handle one type of threat.

Also, another benefit of clustering the shooty ones together is Wrath of Mars. That really is an excellent force multiplier.

Now, as you can see, strategems are vital. I highly recommend breaking your force out at the expense of the Infiltrators. Toss them for a basic Enginseer and push the Dragoons/Ballistarii into additional Outrider detachments. Try to get three, so you have six CP to play with. Might not be doable, so you may wish to consider just making a Battalion and a Spearhead, though that may not fit your models or wants. Just a thought though.

 Kandela wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I highly recommend doing at least one single group of Taser Dragoons to take maximum advantage of Conquerer Doctrina strategem. This will let them trigger their Tasers on 4+.

And I think you might want to mix/match the autocannons and lascannons. You also might want to cluster them up a bit too so you can make them most of Protector Doctrina strategem. This means you get +2 to-hit, which is stellar. You can move and shoot that way or hunker down and really improve your shooting with Cawl nearby.

Maybe go for 4 Lascannons and the rest Autocannons, with one Neutronager and one Icarus? A good mix means losing any one thing won't undercut your ability to handle one type of threat.

Also, another benefit of clustering the shooty ones together is Wrath of Mars. That really is an excellent force multiplier.

Now, as you can see, strategems are vital. I highly recommend breaking your force out at the expense of the Infiltrators. Toss them for a basic Enginseer and push the Dragoons/Ballistarii into additional Outrider detachments. Try to get three, so you have six CP to play with. Might not be doable, so you may wish to consider just making a Battalion and a Spearhead, though that may not fit your models or wants. Just a thought though.

A Goondozer eh? I will think about it.

Good point about clustering them up.

I don't want to take anything outside of machines (I even intend to convert a special character out of Ironstrider frame to use as my Cawl). Part of why there is no Robots in there (stupid Datasmith) - Infiltratos are an exception due to their unique physique - they look like human size Dragoons.
My wants are strange though - I want to make an thematic and fluffy army list which works decent on the battlefield. Wanted to include a unit of Infiltrators cause I bought few boxes and don't want them to just sit at home.

Right now I'm leaning towards this changes:

Suzuteo wrote:



The goal is to exploit Doctrinas. You usually want to buff the Lascannons since the Autocannons can shred infantry even without the Doctrinas. To do this, you will want one of each Ballistarii unit in full size. They have 48" range, 58" with movement, and they can all target separate units, so you will never struggle to find targets. Dragoons you want in units of 3 to handle T6 stuff and just stand menacingly nearby or infiltrate; if they get into the backline, your opponent is screwed.

You don't need Cawl because you will be using 1-2 Doctrinas every turn, meaning his aura is no different than a Dominus's. You don't need Mars because you have no Kastelans. So 100% Stygies. You also need a crapton of CP to power this strategy, so minimum units of Rangers that you can use to screen your Ironstriders and hold objectives briefly before dying awfully.

The entire army should be moving every turn. Stay beyond 12" + enemy move at all times. Exploit that 58" effective range. Advance the HQs because they can repair even if they can't shoot. Also advance your screen to block area.

Suzuteo wrote:
Nobody said the infantry would be around for long. Consider them lookouts.

KurosakiMotas wrote:
so best idea for wining tournamnts with mechanicus is runing loads of ironstriders and ondunes?

Jackal444 wrote:
OP AdMech is entirely reliant on Kastellan Robots, Onagers, and Cawl from Mars with a screen of Stygies vanguard/rangers/dragoons. As far as pure admech goes, that's your best bet. I like to ally in assassins since I'm a dirty heretic though

Fan67 wrote:

Jackal444 wrote:
OP AdMech is entirely reliant on Kastellan Robots, Onagers, and Cawl from Mars with a screen of Stygies vanguard/rangers/dragoons. As far as pure admech goes, that's your best bet. I like to ally in assassins since I'm a dirty heretic though

While Martian Kastellans with Cawl are certainly able to give a punch, this is a one trick pony and I expect this army to fail on major tournaments.
Your firepower is concentrated in 4-6 robots which are not invincible at all. And Cawl himself drags the whole army down with his 250pts cost.

I would certainly add IG detachment for screening and objective holding reasons, but in all-AM list i would bet that Ironstrider heavy lists with Stygian dogma will be much more reliable.

I have played only one game with the new codex so far, but other local Mechanicum players seem to have notable sucess with clandestine infiltration heavy lists, dropping ruststalkers and dragoons in front of the enemy. Ruststalkers yield the remarkable number of mortal wounds and haven't suffered from attacks reduction.