<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Shooting when some units LOS is blocked"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Shooting when some units LOS is blocked LOS to a target, 5 have LOS completely blocked - can only those 5 with LOS shoot, or can all 10?

Reading through the rules (p179 "choose targets") "a model in the unit must be within the range of the weapon being used and visible to the shooting model". Seems to indicate that only 1 model in the unit needs range/LOS.

However, In my last game the other player said the opposite - every model needs range/los to fire.

And follow up: What if there is 1 special weapon in the squad? does it need to determine LOS independently from the POV of the firing model? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796292.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796357.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked LOS is checked model by model. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796372.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked
Say you have a unit of marines shooting at a unit of orks. The orks are behind LoS blocking terrain except for 1. All your marines can see the 1 Ork that is not behind the terrain. So when the rules ask you to check if your unit has LoS, every model does.

You then start making shooting attacks. The first Marine fires and it's an unsaved wound. The Ork player removes the only visible Ork. The rest of your squad can still fire on the same unit, and potentially kill Orks that are outside of LoS, becaus the rules never ask you to check LoS again.

Weird, but that's RAW!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796386.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked
Stux wrote:
Note that line of sight is only needed when the unit is first selected to shoot, NOT when the individual model is shooting.

Say you have a unit of marines shooting at a unit of orks. The orks are behind LoS blocking terrain except for 1. All your marines can see the 1 Ork that is not behind the terrain. So when the rules ask you to check if your unit has LoS, every model does.

You then start making shooting attacks. The first Marine fires and it's an unsaved wound. The Ork player removes the only visible Ork. The rest of your squad can still fire on the same unit, and potentially kill Orks that are outside of LoS, becaus the rules never ask you to check LoS again.

Note that the targets must still be in range, as this is checked when you actually fire each weapon.

Weird, but that's RAW!


That's not weird, that's to stop casualty removal shenanigans and speed things up. It's sensible and deliberate (and not the OP's Q).

Also you got the range bit wrong. Only checked once before any shooting happens. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796388.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked
Stux wrote:
Note that line of sight is only needed when the unit is first selected to shoot, NOT when the individual model is shooting.

Say you have a unit of marines shooting at a unit of orks. The orks are behind LoS blocking terrain except for 1. All your marines can see the 1 Ork that is not behind the terrain. So when the rules ask you to check if your unit has LoS, every model does.

You then start making shooting attacks. The first Marine fires and it's an unsaved wound. The Ork player removes the only visible Ork. The rest of your squad can still fire on the same unit, and potentially kill Orks that are outside of LoS, becaus the rules never ask you to check LoS again.

Note that the targets must still be in range, as this is checked when you actually fire each weapon.

Weird, but that's RAW!

Correct on LoS, Incorrect on Range. It is also only checked once, before any models in the unit fire, in the same step where you check Line of Sight.

E.G. You have a unit of 4 marines with bolters and 1 with a meltagun. There's a unit of orks where 1 ork is 12" from all 5 marines, 4 orks from 13" to 24", and 15 orks more than 24" away. If your first shot with a bolter kills the 1 ork 12" away, you can still fire your second shot with that bolter, the other 3 bolters still get 2 shots each from being in rapid fire range, and you can still shoot the melta. If the next 4 bolter shots kill the remaining orks within 24", you still get to fire the last 3 bolter shots and the melta, even though the remaining orks are all out of range at this point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796397.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked LoS are checked before the unit fires a single weapon and then not checked again regardless of whether models are removed.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:

That's not weird, that's to stop casualty removal shenanigans and speed things up. It's sensible and deliberate (and not the OP's Q).


It's weird intuitively. Not saying I disagree with the implementation for the reasons you state, but a lot of people get it wrong because it goes against how most people would assume it works. That's all I'm saying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796402.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked RNG and LOS in order to attack - rather than models in the unit attack individually.

I was already aware of the oddness of being able to kill a whole unit when only one is in LOS - i thought the same applied to attacking too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9796523.page GMT Shooting when some units LOS is blocked
Medicinal Carrots wrote:
There's a unit of orks where 1 ork is 12" from all 5 marines, 4 orks from 13" to 24", and 15 orks more than 24" away.
That's an insane conga line... This assumes all of these conga-lined orkses are from one unit, correct?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9797929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749162/9797929.page GMT