<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
http://www.beastsofwar.com/guild-ball/pvc-fishermen-butchers-guild-coming-indiegogo-week/






http://steamforged.com/sfg-news-blog/coming-to-indiegogo


I'm fairly surprised about this as Indiegogo has a lot lower level of exposure (and traffic) especially in the USA and Steamforged has already used KS successfully for the Darksouls boardgame (although since it's still dragging on I guess the could feel they had an image problem?)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798798.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo KS thst nobody ever wanted to run a test game with :/ The animals are cute and the goal posts awesome, I'd take them on their own, maybe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798845.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo
There's some tragically bad redos there. Boiler and Shank look abysmal and Fillet's metal is one of my favorite models ever that the plastic doesn't hold a candle to. I do really like Princess's massive boost of personality and despite being static, Tenderizer looks terrific. Meathook is the standout, IMO. Huge improvement over the original.

Overall, I'm just not sure. I think switching to plastic would be good for the game overall, but its felt like the game has lost a lot of momentum in the transition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798919.page GMT Re:Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo
Im glad its going to plastic, but yea needs to be more dynamic.

Also its super weird to do Indiegogo then KS. Everyone I know including myself wont touch indie with a 50 foot pole. KS just has a vastly better rep.

Though as mentioned I could see why they would go elsewhere. Dark Souls was horrid]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9798936.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo
I have the Farmers' plastics and they look pretty good painted up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799230.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo BoW

Steamforged games have posted on their blog.

The Indiegogo campaign will be capped at 800 backers. From reading the blog it sounds like this campaign is being used to test the market and see what the level of demand is like for this move. They can see the idea of PVC versions of the older teams being a potentially viable move, but they cannot justify the level of expense (according to Steamforged, $80K per team) just on potential, they need to be certain people will want this.

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Those Fish that have had their poses altered I almost universally prefer over the existing ones, so feeling positive right now. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799408.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9799415.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers coming to Indiegogo
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/guild-ball-the-fisherman-s-guild#/

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/guild-ball-the-butcher-s-guild#/


These are fixed campaigns (they don't get the money unless the project funds just like KS)


Note shipping is not included and will be collected afterwards via their pledge Manager

Estimated shipping rates are presented below - we have based these on our current set weights/sizes so we expect little deviation from these prices - however these are just estimates:
•UNITED KINGDOM: $5
•EUROPE: $10
•USA: $15
•REST OF WORLD: $20
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I'm fine with either metal or plastic minis, but I wanted to collect Fishermen and Hunters and I was envious of the price drop the newer guilds received when SFG decided to go plastic.

I do have one concern with price regarding this campaign, though...

What we're getting in each order are two sets, each containing 6 players, plus a goal, a ball, and a piece of terrain. This is the same as the sets from the new plastic guilds. Same price, too: current new sets are £35 each, which is £70 for two sets (~$100), which is what we're paying in the campaign.

However, the campaign lists this as a discounted price - down from $120 (~£85). You'd think bundling sets together would make for a lower price, but it looks like these will be receiving a bit of a price hike compared to the existing sets.

Not a deal-breaker, and I'd rather they cover their costs than go bust, but it is a bit of a shame. Still, won't be a problem for those of us who pledge! As long as the campaign works out for them, that is...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801566.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
Still "not discounted" but its possible that future sets are going to be more expensive due to inflation or what have you. That or its just not really discounted, couldn't say for sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801571.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801581.page GMT Re:Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801817.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
Then several of the models are actually terrain pieces, rather than players, and you do get the entire faction as it stands right now, for a skirmish level game which will always command a higher price per mini than a mass battle game due to simple economics. Plus there'll be a full set of tokens making the team playable right away with no prep (albeit admittedly card ones,)

I don't think, given all that, one can really accuse them of being expensive as such, they're not a million miles from what a Malifaux Crew or Infinity list would cost, for instance. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9801825.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9805241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9805241.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
Shame that, but I guess $80,000 for new versions of existing models was perhaps kind of a big ask.

Wonder if they'll re-think or just drop the idea, now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836526.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
 Pumpkin wrote:
Campaign closed with Fishermen at 43% of their target and Butchers at 31%.

Shame that, but I guess $80,000 for new versions of existing models was perhaps kind of a big ask.

Wonder if they'll re-think or just drop the idea, now?

Could also be because of indigogo. Still a lot of people don’t use that over kickstarter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836614.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) KS (especially if they hadn't run both at once)

but that probably means no plastics for the existing teams in the short term]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836633.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9836776.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9837147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9837147.page GMT Re:Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
IGG was a weird choice, given they've repeatedly and successfully used KS (although not without precedent, they have used it for the official mat.)

The break down of rewards was minute and expensive. They could have easily set the same financial goal, but offered whole team, the two six man boxes as they now retail in metal separately or a goal + terrain option. I've seen "I don't want to rebuy the models, but I'd have backed for terrain" on multiple occasions across the net.

They have done little to nothing to promote this I've seen. Relying on existing players, who may already own the models, and not a wider audience of newer or potential players has seriously limited the whole project.

They've assumed zero financial liability themselves. Kudos for being up front about what was informing the numbers, but nobody but Steamforged was going to benefit long term from this project's success, even if they weren't not going to profit until retail, they'd still profit for years from the product's availability. That surely warranted them backing it by asuming some of the cost, meaning a lower target or pledge prices?

Given they're no strangers to crowdfunding, this sort of feels like a customer/company version of doing a job badly so your partner, who's been nagging you to do it, doesn't ask you again. Like they've been pressured to do this, didn't really want to for logistical or financial reasons, and now, should customers continue to badger them, can point at the "facts" and claim it's not justified. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9837324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9837324.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)


Guild Ball

We recently held two Indiegogo community driven campaigns to make the iconic Butcher and Fishermen teams in the brand-new PVC material we have been using for our new Guild releases.

We conducted several surveys with a view to see if there was enough evidence to support bringing these products to market. Our Indiegogo campaigns were capped at 800 backers each, The goal was set to a level that would enable us to produce and bring these products to market .

On this occasion the initial community interest has not, unfortunately, resulted in sufficient backers to make the production of these products viable.

This project has helped us with our planning for Season 4 and beyond. Our attention now is firmly focused on the future of Guild Ball and the exciting experiences we can bring to it - leaving the past behind us.

The alternate sculpts were a hot topic of conversation and seemed to be popular. So, we will be investigating if there are other ways that we can make these available but, at this point, we cannot guarantee that they will ever be released as products.

We would like to thank everyone who participated in this campaign, whether by backing the Indiegogo directly, or discussing the project on our forums or social media. We are grateful for your continued support and are looking forward to sharing with you everything we have planned for an exciting 2018!

Thank you.


well there's the official response from facebook

(and it does sound very much like Azrael13 may well be right, they did them because some were pestering them, but they didn't really have their hearts in it)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838216.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
My lfg will be happy as apparently dealing with SFG is apparently like smashing yourself in the face with a bat repeatedly.

There was a part missing from my fisherman season 1 team starter set the store got in touch with SFG who said they would sort it and "Promptly" sent the missing part about 9mths+ later by which point season 2 was out and the game had died on its arse because SFG were useless. I hear they are slightly better now after they got bought out but I don't see it myself]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838432.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
SeanDrake wrote:
I hear they are slightly better now after they got bought out but I don't see it myself


When did they get bought out by who?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838727.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
But then the whole of Sean's post seems to run counter to the general vibe around SFG, so I guess that's not surprising.

There's the odd grumble, and there's definitely an issue with after sales since their dedicated CSR left, but that's not a picture of the current state of the game that I recognize, either online or in person. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838806.page GMT Re:Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
That said I could see Fish vs Butchers being a possibility for a revised S4 starter box]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9838819.page GMT Guildball Plastic (PVC) fishermens and butchers on Indiegogo (Live)
I bought into Kick Off as it was relatively cheap, and have really struggled to get others into the game. The plastic teams are cheap-ish, but are too complex for demoing with. New players don't like metal either.

I've also found the rules quite hard to explain when compared to the really simple rules of other games at the moment. I don't think it's over-complicated, but I do think the game can be streamlined at least a bit.

I think this Indiegogo failed because the price-point was $100. Few new players are going to invest in it, so basically you're limiting your market to people already playing and who might already have the models. It really pains me to see this fail as I think it's a great game and this would have made life easier for getting other players.

My suggestion for Steamforged is to look at trying to release plastic 3-man teams with one piece of scenery. Basically, release half a box for £20. That's low enough to get new players to invest and have a go. Alongside that, simplify the rules for a 3 v 3 game, and so leave the full game open for them.

I genuinely think there is a demand out there for Guild Ball, particularly as it is quicker than Blood Bowl and quite different. This campaign I think failed because Steamforged didn't clearly link the advantage of plastic miniatures with lowering the cost of entry as each team was $100.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9842471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/749263/9842471.page GMT