2. The only units that can score objectives are units that would in the current version of the game have some kind of objective secured rule,
however other units can contest them.

3. Tactical reserves is no longer limited to half of your units, but instead half of the points value of the game you are playing.

4. Mortal wounds no longer ignore invunlerable saves, this overrides the current beta smite rules, which are now ignored.

5. Non character, non infantry, vehicle units, which start the game containing a single model, may fallback and shoot in the same turn.

6. During the fight phase, if they have not already done so this turn, when activating, a unit may choose to forgoe its close combat attacks,
and instead make a shooting attack against a single unit they are within 1" following the rules for overwatch (weapons which auto hit, must also roll to hit).

7. Any stratagem which specifically requires an enemy unit of a certain faction to trigger, is not allowed in matched play.

8. You may only deploy units in tactical reserve, after you have deployed all other units on the board.

9. The following stratagems are made available to everyone:

A - Out manuvered:
After your opponent declares that they will be using a stratagem, you may use this stratagem to cancel the effect of theirs.
Cost 2 + the cost of your opponents stratagem.

B - Overwhelming defence/offence:
You may make your opponent reroll a single die.
Cost 3

C - Preparedness:
At any time during a phase you may use this strategem to ignore all negative (and positive) modifiers to a units to hit rolls for the duration of the phase.
Cost 3

D - Dangerous incursion:
A unit arriving from tactical reserve that would normally be limited to arriving no closer than 9 inches to an enemy model, may ignore this stipulation.
However they must roll a dice for every wound in the unit and on a 4+ take a mortal wound.
Cost 6

E - Hold the line!:
during the charge phase an infantry unit may fire overwatch at their full balistic skill, and apply any modifiers that they normally would during the shooting phase.
Cost 3

 Lance845 wrote:

2. The only units that can score objectives are units that would in the current version of the game have some kind of objective secured rule,
however other units can contest them.

No. Bad. Not only does it force players to bring a certain type of unit to have objectives, it makes those units primary targets for your opponent. You can't claim objectives if al your objective claimers are dead.

3. Tactical reserves is no longer limited to half of your units, but instead half of the points value of the game you are playing.

Also bad. Some characters that are supposed to be deepstriking with support are very expensive and then you cut out all their support.

4. Mortal wounds no longer ignore invunlerable saves, this overrides the current beta smite rules, which are now ignored.

Bad again. Mortal Wounds are an excellent mechanic that makes it so no matter how big or tough or rerollable 2+ you make your models there is always a way to kill everything. I don't want invulnerable deathstars again.

5. Non character, non infantry, vehicle units, which start the game containing a single model, may fallback and shoot in the same turn.

So vehicles can fall back and shoot as though they had fly even if they don't?

6. During the fight phase, if they have not already done so this turn, when activating, a unit may choose to forgoe its close combat attacks,
and instead make a shooting attack against a single unit they are within 1" following the rules for overwatch (weapons which auto hit, must also roll to hit).

Terrible. Why should you give this advantage to shooting armies? I mean, it's not like overwatch generally does much. But think of all melee has to do just to get there coupled with the fact that your unit could just... leave anyway. Plus this lets anyone with pistols get 2 rounds of shooting with them. Plasma Pistols for example.

7. Any stratagem which specifically requires an enemy unit of a certain faction to trigger, is not allowed in matched play.

So... Grey Knights should feth off?

8. You may only deploy units in tactical reserve, after you have deployed all other units on the board.

I think using tactical reserves to draw out opponents placements so you can set up in reaction to them is very... tactical.

9. The following stratagems are made available to everyone:

A - Out manuvered:
After your opponent declares that they will be using a stratagem, you may use this stratagem to cancel the effect of theirs.
Cost 2 + the cost of your opponents stratagem.

I think that spending a bunch of points to have nothing happen is very boring. From a game design perspective this is bad. You want players doing stuff and seeing effects. Not having their agency taken away.

B - Overwhelming defence/offence:
You may make your opponent reroll a single die.
Cost 3

Same as above. When you roll that real nice roll your opponent shouldn't be able to take it away and cause nothing to happen.

D - Dangerous incursion:
A unit arriving from tactical reserve that would normally be limited to arriving no closer than 9 inches to an enemy model, may ignore this stipulation.
However they must roll a dice for every wound in the unit and on a 4+ take a mortal wound.
Cost 6

Hate it. I get that there is a heavy risk built into it but the deepstrike range of 9" is there for a reason.

E - Hold the line!:
during the charge phase an infantry unit may fire overwatch at their full balistic skill, and apply any modifiers that they normally would during the shooting phase.
Cost 3

Awful. Again, melee already has enough hurdles to get over.

But it also stops people deepstriking say 10 flyrants, while having some rippers on the board.

And neither do I, but I also believe that there should be a defence to everything, and that mortal wounds are a bad mechanic, we can agree to disagree on this one.

Yep!

Actually this is pretty good for GK (the daemon stratagem vs GK is insanely OP), but is also balanced by the change to mortal wounds, as they will have their 5++ against the GK smites.

Its a very no brainer, if you have deep striking units then your opponent doesn't get to deploy against you, having lots of deep striking units removes a whole portion of counter play for your opponent.

Thats why it has a high opportunity cost, Plus it adds a layer of counterplay to the game, and gives an option to counter 'insane bravery', which I would otherwise have suggested removing.

Thats why its 3 times more expensive than giving yourself a reroll.

Yep and its a reason that Im willing to ignore (seen as im nerfing deep strike in a few other areas), plus its that buff to melle that is missing from the other changes.

I like this one, but yeah maybe this should be Cost 6 too.

 Icculus wrote:
I think this was written by a guard player. Tanks falling back and shooting everything and then guardsman getting first rank/second rank in close combat. Also wanting to spend all those command points to shoot overwatch more effectively.

But I do like flat command points for everyone and I could see having a strategem that made your opponent reroll. Both seem very reasonable to me.

 Lance845 wrote:

Again, from a design perspective, this is mostly really bad. Find people who like to play this way and have fun. I would never play this way.

General limits to deep striking, was because i feel overall that the way GW hands it out like candy these days isn't good.
But also I wanted people to have an opportunity at a huge risk, to breach impassible gunlines with deep strike (therefore the stratagem).

Limiting people to only Deepstriking half of their points doesn't stop them from keeping their monster units alive, it just stops them from having a guaranteed alpha strike with 80% of their points against their opponent.

As an occasional GK player I'm thrilled to not have an opponent who can essentially make the kills I work for meaningless with a single stratagem. And as a believer in pick up games, I don't think that in matched play, any army should have rules that specifically benefit it against a certain faction.

I get the point abut stopping your opponent doing things being anti fun, but I disagree, I play magic on occasion, and the mindgames that come while playing against blue counter spells, is quite interesting (and admittedly at times frustrating).

You don't necessarily open up the gateway for things tying up your gunline turn one etc, with closer deepstrike, but you instead enforce tighter bubblewrapping if people are desperate to defend themselves, and while taking 50% mortal wounds, and most factions having some form of intercept strategem, its hardly a reliable method of attack.

2. The only units that can score objectives are units that would in the current version of the game have some kind of objective secured rule,
however other units can contest them.

3. Tactical reserves is no longer limited to half of your units, but instead half of the points value of the game you are playing.

4. Mortal wounds no longer ignore invunlerable saves, this overrides the current beta smite rules, which are now ignored.

5. Non character, non infantry, vehicle units, which start the game containing a single model, may fallback and shoot in the same turn

6. During the fight phase, if they have not already done so this turn, when activating, a unit may choose to forgoe its close combat attacks,
and instead make a shooting attack against a single unit they are within 1" following the rules for overwatch (weapons which auto hit, must also roll to hit).

7. Any stratagem which specifically requires an enemy unit of a certain faction to trigger, is not allowed in matched play.

8. You may only deploy units in tactical reserve, after you have deployed all other units on the board.

9. The following stratagems are made available to everyone:

A - Out manuvered:
After your opponent declares that they will be using a stratagem, you may use this stratagem to cancel the effect of theirs.
Cost 2 + the cost of your opponents stratagem.

B - Overwhelming defence/offence:
You may make your opponent reroll a single die.
Cost 3

C - Preparedness:
At any time during a phase you may use this strategem to ignore all negative (and positive) modifiers to a units to hit rolls for the duration of the phase.
Cost 3

D - Dangerous incursion:
A unit arriving from tactical reserve that would normally be limited to arriving no closer than 9 inches to an enemy model, may ignore this stipulation.
However they must roll a dice for every wound in the unit and on a 4+ take a mortal wound.
Cost 6

E - Hold the line!:
during the charge phase an infantry unit may fire overwatch at their full balistic skill, and apply any modifiers that they normally would during the shooting phase.
Cost 3