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				<title>[2000] - Elysian and scions - Deep strike abuse</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I have this idea for what I think is a mean list.  It abuses the new "use power levels for reserves."  It capitalizes on the fact that scions and Elysians are 3pl each and vultures are 11pl. <br /> <br /> Use 2x units of 2-3 Elysian punisher vultures with a couple Elysian officers of fleet and max plasma teams in a vanguard.  Then max out on tempestus scions over two battalions.  14 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(707);'>cp</span>.  <br /> <br /> Turn one clear out Chaff with mass punisher fire.  Turn two deep strike mass plasma and more punisher.  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:41:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Smotejob]]></author>
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				<title>[2000] - Elysian and scions - Deep strike abuse</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Do remember it's both half your points -and- half your units must be on the field at start.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Apr 2018 09:15:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ NerdExtrodinare]]></author>
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				<title>[2000] - Elysian and scions - Deep strike abuse</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Unfortunately, unless I missed something in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FaQ</span>, flyers don't count as having a unit on the board at the end of game turns. So if you only have the vultures on the board till turn 2 you will auto-lose.<br /> Wish it wasn't so as my air cavalry force has no chance as my opponents just ignore the valkyries and mow down the infantry. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 22 Apr 2018 10:06:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ragnorack1]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In the early going of this edition, power gamers were playing around with scion lists like that. The point hikes on scions' gear and restrictions on their command squads nerfed that, but Elysians, with their BS4+, are still cheap. I bring 3 Elysian special weapon squads with plasma. But there is such a thing as overdoing it.<br /> <br /> Turn 1, your main units can't land. By turn 2, even if your opponent didn't have scouts or Alaitoc rangers, bubble wrappers have moved out to protect the valuable assets you're after, and meanwhile you're facing a 2000 point army with only about 1000 points.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> is clearly not only trying to balance the game, but to make a competitive player's game look more like they imagine it should: Some long range firepower, some skirmishing in the middle of the table, and just a smattering of deep strike. Every <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> that has come out in this edition has made the game just a bit closer to that ideal. Flyers too strong? Up their points. Fearless conscripts swamping the board? Behold, they're not fearless or cheap anymore. SPAM's advantages focusing players on just one aspect of their army? Max 3 units of each non-troop type. Deep strike being used for an alpha strike? Turn 1 you can only deep strike in your own deployment zone. People not getting the hint? Up the command point benefits for detachments with lots of troops.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:40:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Celerior]]></author>
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