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THOUSAND SONS
2,000 points
14 drops
8 command points


BATTALION DETACHMENT

HQ
Exalted Sorcerer on Disk of Tzeentch (Warlord - High Magister) {Temporal Manipulation, Prescience} - Helm of the Third Eye [141]
Demon Prince of Tzeentch With Wings {Warptime, Weaver of Fates} - Dark Matter Crystal, 2x malefic talons [180]

TROOPS
Tzaangors (30) - Brayhorn, icon of flame [225]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]

ELITES
Tzaangor Shaman {Glamour of Tzeentch} [90]
Tzaangor Shaman {Glamour of Tzeentch} [90]

FAST ATTACK
Tzaangor Enlightened (9) - 9x fatecaster greatbows [153]
Tzaangor Enlightened (9) - 9x fatecaster greatbows [153]

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031677.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031795.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031865.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve btw i would take Ahriman omn disk instead exalted sorcerer, or take out a rubric squad and take a 2nd Dp, and if you really plan to waste 141pts baby sitting predators then play a sorcerer on foot, rubrics on foot are dead meat, i dont know whit who you play usually but that cant work, then of course depend by level of play you have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10031929.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve
1. I already explained why it doesn't matter that I can't cast the same spell twice. The answer is smite. Smite is the priority spell and can be cast without penalty due to the brotherhood of sorcerers. I give aspiring sorcerers tzeentch's firestorm and shamans the glamour of tzeentch because they are the only spells in the discipline of change that synergies well with the rest of the army.

2. In regards to using Ahriman instead of an exalted sorcerer on disk, that was also explained, in the original post. The exalted sorcerer's purpose is to stay back and assist the predators with a re-roll 1's aura, prescience and temporal manipulation, while generating command points with helm of the third eye. The benefits for using Ahriman are an improved invulnerable save (he's probably not getting shot at), +1 to cast (already have with warlord trait), +1 deny (he won't be in range to deny things), and can cast/deny a third spell. I'd rather be generating command points and saving 15 points, but I would love to hear your reasoning for me using Ahriman instead.

Being an exalted on a disk instead of a sorcerer on foot is important for 4 reasons: The 12" move is to keep up with the 12" move of the predators, he has a bit more survivability to justify making him my warlord, regular sorcerers don't have a re-roll 1's to hit aura, and in the case that the predators die (very likely) and he has to find new tasks, he will be able to get in range much quicker.

3. "Rubrics on foot are dead meat?" I know you're not suggesting that they sit in a rhino where they can't cast or deny spells or shoot are you? I know you're not suggesting that a t4 2+ 4++ against most guns is dead meat. "Can't work?" Their purpose is to grab objectives and screen my predators from alpha strikes. They do that very well. But hell, if the enemy wants to target the rubrics instead of the 30 tzaangors in their frontline turn 1, then by all means, kill a few.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032019.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve PS: rubrics on foot are dead meat,
Btw the list is good for a pure Ts just not kind of list i would play in competitive right now, imho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032377.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve
They could, and should hit enemies hard with their powers, not cowarding back like a loyalist lieutenant.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10032634.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033352.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve
IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033405.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve
 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
Really? Four squads of rubrics all with the same spell?

IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options

same things i already told him]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033450.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve Ahriman on disc
3 daemon princes with wings
Magnus
3 tzaangor shamens
30 tzaangors
2 x 10 cultists
As many enlightened as you can for in

Predators are bad even with kill shot. Just ram the tzaangors and Magnus (not warlord) don’t your opponent’s throat whilst the rest of your army moves up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10033817.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve
 blackmage wrote:
 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
Really? Four squads of rubrics all with the same spell?

IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options

same things i already told him

Players are people, they have emotion and pride.

A Thousand sons player refuse to admit Rubrics are weak, that is common and normal. However, they are really weak.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034145.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034273.page GMT [2,000] - Thousand Sons - Competitve And then drop the Predators for Magnus, possible not the strongest List in the game, but maybe the best, what youn can set up in a Thousand Son only list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/759105/10034519.page GMT