Dandelion wrote:
Let vehicles/monsters move and fire heavy weapons without penalties to hit rolls.

I just think it's strange that vehicle mounted weapons are as maneuverable as the same weapons but hand carried. Plus I'd like to be able to move my sentinels without suddenly shooting like an ork.

Dandelion wrote:
@Valkyrie
Nah, just use VEHICLE and MONSTER keywords and call it a day. Sentinels aren't S7 so that doesn't help much there despite them supposedly being scout vehicles.

@Stormonu
There's a couple issues with that, that I see:
- How do you define size without getting into arguments?
- It seems more like a core rule then a vehicle ability, or at least would be better implemented as a core rule.
- Do infantry get the same bonus? If so it kinda messes up the distinction between them and vehicles. (Guard HWS are currently as accurate on the move as a chimera somehow, which is what I feel should change)

 Stormonu wrote:
Yeah, could come at this multiple ways:

Stabilizers: This model does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing Heavy weapons. (Handles the Predator situation above)

Bulletstorm: This weapon does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing. (Something to put on Heavy Bolters, Heavy Stubbers and Assault Cannons)

Large: Enemy models gain a +1 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (mostly on non-character models with 5+ wounds; on character models on a case-by-case basis)

Huge: Enemy models gain a +2 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (Titanic, Superheavies and Knights)

Ice_can wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Yeah, could come at this multiple ways:

Stabilizers: This model does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing Heavy weapons. (Handles the Predator situation above)

Bulletstorm: This weapon does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing. (Something to put on Heavy Bolters, Heavy Stubbers and Assault Cannons)

Large: Enemy models gain a +1 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (mostly on non-character models with 5+ wounds; on character models on a case-by-case basis)

Huge: Enemy models gain a +2 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (Titanic, Superheavies and Knights)

Jesus you obviously hate anyone who wants to play with vehicals knights would be unplayable with those rules. IG would be hitting them on 2+ rerolling 1's

Marines etc would be hitting on 1+ and plasma spam would be insane never overheating autohitting hellblasters. Thats going to be a super fun time game.

 Stormonu wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Yeah, could come at this multiple ways:

Stabilizers: This model does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing Heavy weapons. (Handles the Predator situation above)

Bulletstorm: This weapon does not suffer a penalty to hit when moving and firing. (Something to put on Heavy Bolters, Heavy Stubbers and Assault Cannons)

Large: Enemy models gain a +1 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (mostly on non-character models with 5+ wounds; on character models on a case-by-case basis)

Huge: Enemy models gain a +2 bonus To Hit when targeting this model (Titanic, Superheavies and Knights)

Jesus you obviously hate anyone who wants to play with vehicals knights would be unplayable with those rules. IG would be hitting them on 2+ rerolling 1's

Marines etc would be hitting on 1+ and plasma spam would be insane never overheating autohitting hellblasters. Thats going to be a super fun time game.

I own a knight army and a tank-heavy SM & IG army, keep that in mind.
I also always play natural 1 Overheats (NOT modified), regardless what the current rules say.

Huge is truly optional, but do you really think someone pointing a gun at a 5-story tall war machine is going to miss it? Wounding it may be another thing, and to me, it makes sense that someone *standing still* with a heavy weapon should hit a lot easier than if they fire from the hip. Yes, it’ll also benefit the likes of lasguns and Bolters - but those big vehicles have a high toughness and good armor saves for a reason.

 Peregrine wrote:
IMO the compromise between vehicles being better than infantry at shooting on the move and movement reducing firepower is to allow vehicles to ignore the -1 penalty when moving half their maximum distance or less. This essentially goes back to the older rules where vehicles had a maximum effective speed and a maximum no/poor shooting speed.

leopard wrote:

Dandelion wrote:
Let vehicles/monsters move and fire heavy weapons without penalties to hit rolls.

I just think it's strange that vehicle mounted weapons are as maneuverable as the same weapons but hand carried. Plus I'd like to be able to move my sentinels without suddenly shooting like an ork.

As an ork I'd also agree with this, as we get the move and shoot like a blind ork from vehicles.

I would suggest though that vehicles should be at a -1 to hit against targets within 6", to represent that turrets rotate a lot more slowly than infantry can and thus are less responsive