<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Aeldari keyword."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Aeldari keyword. CWE and DE? There is no Human keyword that allows you to have Guillimen bro-fisting with Magnus because it is against the lore, then why Drukhari have the Aeldari keyword that allows them to ally with Ynnari even though Vect orders to kill anyone who deals with them seeing them as a direct threat to his dominance?

If people are worried about Imperial soup, then this soup should also be eliminated. Worst, it's completely lore-breaking to have Yvraine and anyone loyal to Vect on the same team (not that Vect has any model yet).

My suggestion:

Remove Aeldari keyword.

Give Ynnari the Asuryani keyword.

Give Harlequin and Corsairs both Asuryani and Drukhari keywords.

Change the rules to accommodate these.

The Drukhari are powerful as they are. This will only nerf them a bit in tournament setting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142178.page GMT Re:Aeldari keyword.
Even though we all accociate them as different factions, they are still only one race (i.e Elves)

It's like with Imperium, they are Humans under Imperial Rule (yes even abhumans)

Chaos is those who have sold themselves to chaos.

Tau is everything Tau or their Empire

and orks are orks, so are tyranids tyranids.

All elves are just that, elves]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142334.page GMT Aeldari keyword. CWE and DE in the same army is like Death Skulls and Bad Moon in the same army. Sure, in a vacuum they'd be killing eachother. But once any humies or other gits show up, it's one WAAAGH to git ta stompin en krumpin.

Similarly, CWE and DE hate eachother more than they ever could hate any humans or Orkz or T'au. But they're still brothers. Try to hurt one and the other will kill you.

Do you have siblings?


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Sidenote: Fluffwise, if Corsairs don't have the Asuryani keyword, neither should Rangers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10142917.page GMT Aeldari keyword.
The politics can be complicated, but against the rest of the factions in 40K, all Aeldari can be united. Harlequins are the epitome of this and they pull their member from all Aeldari factions and are revered/respected by all.

Humans on the other hand are far more numerous, vast and have a pretty well established species civil war going on. You may have heard of it.

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Being able to soup in some psykers and the odd Ranger squad isn't that much of a game changer, as virtually all but 2 of the other factions can

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People complain about imperial soup because it's full on stupid how there are more imperial factions then every other faction combined. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10143806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/763416/10143806.page GMT Aeldari keyword.
 Lance845 wrote:
Having 3 eldar factions soup up is nowhere near as bad as the dozen or so imperial factions and/or the half a dozen chaos factions.

People complain about imperial soup because it's full on stupid how there are more imperial factions then every other faction combined.

^This.

There are ONLY 3 Aeldari Facions. Ynnari doesn't count as it's just the other 3 put together with one of 3 Special Characters.
Chaos has more than a half dozen factions, but it often doesn't benefit them by mixing a bunch of them, usually getting more bonuses by focusing on 1 or 2

Imperium otoh, have so many factions that are so widely diverse that you really can cherry pick what you want and "plug holes" in a factions weaknesses. That's the problem
Even when Aeldari or Chaos "soup" the weaknesses of their factions are generally the same or similar

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bibotot wrote:
Can anyone tell me why there is the Aeldari key word that applies to all Eldar factions including Harlequins, CWE and DE? There is no Human keyword that allows you to have Guillimen bro-fisting with Magnus because it is against the lore, then why Drukhari have the Aeldari keyword that allows them to ally with Ynnari even though Vect orders to kill anyone who deals with them seeing them as a direct threat to his dominance?

If people are worried about Imperial soup, then this soup should also be eliminated. Worst, it's completely lore-breaking to have Yvraine and anyone loyal to Vect on the same team (not that Vect has any model yet).



Assuming this isn't a troll post...
CWE and DE are awkward around the dinner table on holidays, but they do show up for the holidays. They despise each others' cultures and behaviors, but the shared aspects of cultures and experiences give them a surprising amount of common ground as well as an "us versus them" mentality. Sure, the craftworlders might be stifled prudes, and sure the denizens of the dark city are reckless hedonists and torturers, but they both know what it's like to have Slaanesh drooling at their souls. They both know what it's like to be part of a civilization whose greatest achievements are being destroyed by time and by aliens. They both have to deal with the xenophobia of other species and the assorted nightmares of the 41st millenium. I tend to think of their relationship as being akin to a prop-cooperation cold war era movie. The two sides have a lot to squabble about, but they'll go back-to-back when the aliens who lay eggs in your eyes show up to start turning humanity into incubators.

As for the ynnari and Vect's disapproval... The ynnari have plenty of dark eldar recruits. They always have. From the wyches initially loyal to Yvraine and the Visarch's incubi to Lelith's forces to any drukhari that kind of likes the idea of not being eternally damned by Slaanesh at some point. There are plenty of reasons to want to join the ynnari. The fact that Vect doesn't like it means that you're less likely to join up if he has his eye on you. But Comorragh is huge. Vect is a busy guy who was also "dead" for a little while. It's easy to slip away. Also, not a lot of dark eldar are "loyal" to Vect. The closest thing to that would be those who have been brainwashed into pure "loyalty" by his haemonculi and those who recognize that working for the Black Heart has good pay and benefits. But most archons just go along with what he says because he has enough power to throw his weight around. I assure you that, whatever she might say in Vect's court, Malys does not have Vect's best interests at heart.

Which is all, of course, fluff discussion surrounding a mechanical rule. The DA and the SW don't much care for each other, but they get a stratagem to reward them for hanging out together.

Mechanically, the main advantages of combining craftworlders and drukhari are...
* Cheap batallions from the DE
* Doom from the CW
* Agents of Vect from the DE
* Ravagers from the DE I guess

The first is more indicative of the problematic way in which CP are generated at the moment. Xenomancer's proposal for starting with a CP budget and then spending it to unlock new detachments is my current favorite fix for that.

The second is more a problem with doom than with allying pointy ears. Doom could probably stand to be Asuryani-only or to be limited to only benefitting a single unit at a time.

Agents of Vect... I'm personally not of the opinion that there's actually a problem with this one, but it gets a lot of complaints from others. You could tweak this lots of ways. Like doom, this is more of a problem with one specific ability than with the concept of CW and DE teaming up.

Ravagers (specifically disintegrators) just need a bit of a price increase.

So unless you have a mechanical grievance with CW+DE allying that wasn't covered by that, I'm not sure what mechanical reason there would be for breaking the fluff by not allowing them to team up. I'll point you to Valedor and the Iyanden VS Tyranids battle for examples of them doing just that in the past.
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