Bobthehero wrote:
They're still here, but Scion GW discountinued the models, we'll never see them again appart from older artwork being reused

Arcanis161 wrote:
Like in official lore/Canon?

Were they retconned out of existence with the release of the Scions?

Were they all wiped out when Cadia was destroyed?

Did they all just get new uniforms?

 Anfauglir wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, the Kasrkin and the Storm Troopers were always entirely seperate in the lore. The only similarities is their equipment and general battlefield role/level of training. The latter are Imperial orphans gathered and trained from all over the IoM in Schola Progenia who go on to become Storm Troopers, Commissars, Inquisitors, high-level Imperial officers, officials, agents, Sisters of Battle, etc. The former, by contrast, are specifically raised and trained on Cadia only, and form the grenadier/elite veteran role for the Cadian Shock Troops. The Scions replaced the Storm Troopers, not the Kasrkin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, the Kasrkin and the Storm Troopers were always entirely seperate in the lore. The only similarities is their equipment and general battlefield role/level of training. The latter are Imperial orphans gathered and trained from all over the IoM in Schola Progenia who go on to become Storm Troopers, Commissars, Inquisitors, high-level Imperial officers, officials, agents, Sisters of Battle, etc. The former, by contrast, are specifically raised and trained on Cadia only, and form the grenadier/elite veteran role for the Cadian Shock Troops. The Scions replaced the Storm Troopers, not the Kasrkin.

Cadia had a lot of interesting when it comes to them and the Schola Progenium.

"Cadian Blood"(CB) established that Commissars weren't really welcomed/necessary for Cadians. To the point of Cadian officers going through similar training to handle psykers attached to their commands or regimental disciplinary actions.
Kasrkin are established in CB, "Gunheads", and other sources as actually having had their own 'training academies' and programs on Cadia. They didn't really do the whole deep strike or infiltration thing, but CB had them acting as a quick reaction force(with a fantastic sequence of a dynamic entry via rappel lines). They were the linebreakers, the bodyguards, and the anvil that a Cadian commander could rely upon.

Hopefully at some point we get them returned.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, the Kasrkin and the Storm Troopers were always entirely seperate in the lore. The only similarities is their equipment and general battlefield role/level of training. The latter are Imperial orphans gathered and trained from all over the IoM in Schola Progenia who go on to become Storm Troopers, Commissars, Inquisitors, high-level Imperial officers, officials, agents, Sisters of Battle, etc. The former, by contrast, are specifically raised and trained on Cadia only, and form the grenadier/elite veteran role for the Cadian Shock Troops. The Scions replaced the Storm Troopers, not the Kasrkin.

Cadia had a lot of interesting when it comes to them and the Schola Progenium.

"Cadian Blood"(CB) established that Commissars weren't really welcomed/necessary for Cadians. To the point of Cadian officers going through similar training to handle psykers attached to their commands or regimental disciplinary actions.
Kasrkin are established in CB, "Gunheads", and other sources as actually having had their own 'training academies' and programs on Cadia. They didn't really do the whole deep strike or infiltration thing, but CB had them acting as a quick reaction force(with a fantastic sequence of a dynamic entry via rappel lines). They were the linebreakers, the bodyguards, and the anvil that a Cadian commander could rely upon.

Hopefully at some point we get them returned.

 Dysartes wrote:

There's a nice sequence with them in one of the Eisenhorn books, too. I want to say Malleus, but I could be wrong there.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

There's a nice sequence with them in one of the Eisenhorn books, too. I want to say Malleus, but I could be wrong there.

I believe it's Malleus--it's whatever the second book is.

Worth mentioning that from there the Kasrkin concept evolved further, starting with the "Eye of Terror" codex.

Grimskul wrote:If GW ever decide to revisit the Cadian line (those sculpts are not aging well, I'll tell you that...) since the basic kit lacks basic weapons options that infantry squads have, it'd be great for them to throw in Kasrkin for Cadians and Catachan Devils for Catachans as proper elites choices where the veterans feel like veterans.

I've actually been suggesting for awhile that each of the Regiments get a 'signature unit'--and that goes for every army out there.
Catachan Devils could be an Elite choice, Veterans that can split off and act as individual characters with access for the whole squad to get Special Weapons.
Kasrkin could be an Elite choice, granting the effects of the "Get Back In The Fight!" Order without the downside of having to be Ordered.
Tallarn could get an Elite Sentinel Squadron that grants benefits to nearby Vehicles.
Vostroyans could get a "Firstborn" Elite choice, granting FRFSRF to nearby Veteran Squads or Firstborn Squads.
Armageddon could get Ork Hunters as an Elite choice, units that effectively have the statlines of Crusaders but with the loadout of Officers and they get the ability to Infiltrate and a 'hatred' against Orks.

But those sadly won't be the case.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, even Space Marines don't get those.

Basically none of the Chapters have their 'signature' units.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, even Space Marines don't get those.

Basically none of the Chapters have their 'signature' units.

Don't Ultramarines get Tyrannic War Vets? Dark Angels get their Deathwing Knights, Blood Angels their Death Company/Sanguinary Guard, Space Wolves have TW Calvary/Wulfen, and Grey Knights have Paladins.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, even Space Marines don't get those.

Basically none of the Chapters have their 'signature' units.

Don't Ultramarines get Tyrannic War Vets? Dark Angels get their Deathwing Knights, Blood Angels their Death Company/Sanguinary Guard, Space Wolves have TW Calvary/Wulfen, and Grey Knights have Paladins.

Tyrannic War Veterans aren't in the codex.

The others are their own unique books, so they have different units in some spots.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, even Space Marines don't get those.

Basically none of the Chapters have their 'signature' units.

Don't Ultramarines get Tyrannic War Vets? Dark Angels get their Deathwing Knights, Blood Angels their Death Company/Sanguinary Guard, Space Wolves have TW Calvary/Wulfen, and Grey Knights have Paladins.

Tyrannic War Veterans aren't in the codex.

The others are their own unique books, so they have different units in some spots.

That's what I meant when I originally said that only marines get special units, but if you meant only vanilla marines, then yeah they don't, but I'm not surprised they don't, the book is bloated enough with units as is.

bibotot wrote:
Tempestus Scions are a type of Stormtroopers who are trained in Scholar Progeniums. There are other Stormtrooper organizations that exist within the Imperium, and the Kasrkin is among them.