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I played a tourny recently and one of the games was against an Emperors Children army. The chap I was playing against was using the Noise Marines Music of the Apocalypse ability to shoot my Warlord when i killed the noise marines during the fight phase, despite there being other models much closer. His reasoning was that the "you can't target a character" rule only applies in the shooting phase, as this was the fight phase that rule didn't count. I too own an EC army so was surprised at his ruling as I've never used that myself.

It was a pretty awesome game and the chap was pretty cool, we brought the game to a draw in the end so i didn't really think much of it. However reflecting on the game this could have been a win if my warlord wasn't slain and i would have placed in the prizes. I've checked the FAQ's and my chaos codex and can't see anything that allows this shooting attack to target a character even if other models are closer. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10189880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10189880.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
TARGETING CHARACTERS
An enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic of less than 10 can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if it is both visible to the
firing model and it is the closest enemy unit to the firing model. Ignore other enemy Characters with a Wounds characteristics of less than 10
when determining if the target is the closest enemy unit to the firing model.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10189961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10189961.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters faq right now but i recall some question regarding targeting characters applies all thd time something is resolved as if it where a shooting phase or as a shooting attack]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190000.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters FAQ page 5:
Q: If I use a Stratagem such as Auspex Scan or Forewarned to shoot with a unit ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’, does the restriction on not being able to target an enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic of 10 or less apply, even though that Stratagem is being used in the Movement phase?
A: Yes.


This was just added in the latest FAQ round (PDF updated 28 Sept 2018), so may or may not have been around when you played your game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190256.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Rulebook FAQ page 5:
Q: If I use a Stratagem such as Auspex Scan or Forewarned to shoot with a unit ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’, does the restriction on not being able to target an enemy Character with a Wounds characteristic of 10 or less apply, even though that Stratagem is being used in the Movement phase?
A: Yes.


This was just added in the latest FAQ round (PDF updated 28 Sept 2018), so may or may not have been around when you played your game.


NOTE: Music of the Apocalypse, unlike most such abilities, does NOT say to shoot "as if it were the Shooting phase", and is therefore exempt from this.

EDIT: It just to make a shooting attack;

Music of the Apocalypse: Each time a model in this unit is slain, it is driven to make one last attack before succumbing to its injuries. Do not remove the slain model yet - after the attacking unit has finished making all its attacks, the slain model can make a shooting attack with one of its ranged weapons, or throw a grenade, even if the model's unit is within 1" of the enemy. The slain model is then removed as a casualty as normal.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190261.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters FAQ snippet doesn't apply to MOTA. It's about a stratagem, MOTA is an ability.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190486.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 p5freak wrote:
This FAQ snippet doesn't apply to MOTA. It's about a stratagem, MOTA is an ability.


It’s relevant precedent for how to handle a situation in absence of any actual guidance. I provided it in that spirit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190716.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters RAI, but even then I would think that is debatable in of itself. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190790.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters GW has had multiple opportunities to modify Music of the Apocalypse to function like the shooting phase like basically every other similar rule. The fact that it hasn't been changed by now means I must assume it's intended to not work like it's the shooting phase.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190800.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 Arachnofiend wrote:
GW has had multiple opportunities to modify Music of the Apocalypse to function like the shooting phase like basically every other similar rule. The fact that it hasn't been changed by now means I must assume it's intended to not work like it's the shooting phase.


Agreed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10190814.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters FAQ hotline and ask them to sort it in the next round. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191175.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
It did seem a little OP that once i killed 8 of his marines in that fight phase, my lord then received a blastmaster shot and 21 sonic blaster shots! I'm not bitter as the rest of the game was pretty awesome and the guy was fun to play against.

However as people have pointed out, it does seem like something that needs an FAQ or errata to clarify as I also run a EC army and haven't read the rules that I could do that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191183.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters FAQ needed, noise marines shoot in the fight phase, and targeting characters restrictions only apply to the shooting phase.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191192.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Omission of a fix is not proof of intent, only of inaction. Write to the FAQ hotline and ask them to sort it in the next round.

People have been questioning this since the Index came out, if GW was going to change the wording they would have done it already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191193.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 Arachnofiend wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Omission of a fix is not proof of intent, only of inaction. Write to the FAQ hotline and ask them to sort it in the next round.

People have been questioning this since the Index came out, if GW was going to change the wording they would have done it already.


That isn’t how the world works. Lots of questions from Day One still unanswered. Lack of a ruling in an unclear situation isn’t proof of anything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191198.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 Arachnofiend wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Omission of a fix is not proof of intent, only of inaction. Write to the FAQ hotline and ask them to sort it in the next round.

People have been questioning this since the Index came out, if GW was going to change the wording they would have done it already.


If that were true then you'd have to also accept that Pistols and Assault weapons don't actually work. Must be intended right, or they would have fixed it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191211.page GMT Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 Stux wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Omission of a fix is not proof of intent, only of inaction. Write to the FAQ hotline and ask them to sort it in the next round.

People have been questioning this since the Index came out, if GW was going to change the wording they would have done it already.


If that were true then you'd have to also accept that Pistols and Assault weapons don't actually work. Must be intended right, or they would have fixed it?


Yes. The fact they have not fixed something doesn't mean it's intended to work that way.

Part of the reason I don't play Noise Marines often is I am sick of arguing about MOTA and characters. Anyone who's actually lost a character to this before is absolutely against it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191219.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters RAW, noise marines can shoot characters with MOTA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191233.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 p5freak wrote:
Arguing if something is intended, or not, doesnt change the fact that RAW, noise marines can shoot characters with MOTA.


Correct. Neither does it change that RAW you can't shoot a pistol while within 1" of an enemy. So discussing the intent is important.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191276.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 Stux wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Arguing if something is intended, or not, doesnt change the fact that RAW, noise marines can shoot characters with MOTA.


Correct. Neither does it change that RAW you can't shoot a pistol while within 1" of an enemy. So discussing the intent is important.


There is a rule saying you can shoots pistols within 1" of an enemy, and a rule that you cant. But there is no rule preventing MOTA to shoot characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191295.page GMT Re:Noise Marines - Music of the Apocalypse Vs Characters
 p5freak wrote:
 Stux wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Arguing if something is intended, or not, doesnt change the fact that RAW, noise marines can shoot characters with MOTA.


Correct. Neither does it change that RAW you can't shoot a pistol while within 1" of an enemy. So discussing the intent is important.


There is a rule saying you can shoots pistols within 1" of an enemy, and a rule that you cant. But there is no rule preventing MOTA to shoot characters.


Ok I better never catch you advancing and shooting an assault weapon or so help me! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/765330/10191663.page GMT