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torblind wrote:
The Ministorum Priest's War Hymns says it gives +1A to all models in relevant infantry units that are within 6". Does that mean models within 6" or all models of units within 6"?



All models that are in units within range. Measure to the unit, then all models in that unit get the buff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358041.page GMT War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
torblind wrote:
The Ministorum Priest's War Hymns says it gives +1A to all models in relevant infantry units that are within 6". Does that mean models within 6" or all models of units within 6"?

You need to be careful with the wording here, it's important.
Index: Imperium 2 Page 91 wrote:War Hymns: You can add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of all models in ADEPTUS MINISTORUM INFANTRY and ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY units that are within 6" of any friendly MINISTORUM PRIESTS.
It says to add to "all models" in "units that are within" 6 inches. If even a single model is within 6" of the priest, it applies to all models in the unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358162.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358169.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
War Hymns: You can add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of all models in ADEPTUS MINISTORUM INFANTRY and ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY units that are within 6" of any friendly MINISTORUM PRIESTS.

War Hymns: You can add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of all models in ADEPTUS MINISTORUM INFANTRY and ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY units that are within 6" of any friendly MINISTORUM PRIESTS.

Technically speaking, the relative pronoun "that" could reflect back on both possible nouns in that sentence. Does previous usage of sentences like this always indicate that the first is the right interpretation, or could the other one be a possibility?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358223.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura Better rules writing would have used the phrase "With the keywords" and avoided either Models, or Units, in the same sentence. Or more clearly explained as some auras do that ALL models IN a unit that has at least ONE model within X inches. Typical GW, for whatever reason they just cannot seem to make a master list of rules wording to be used for all rules that have similar game mechanics (such as auras). Once again we seem to have a dozen people writing rules without talking to each other.
I have played it as all models in the unit, but other auras go either way.

Edited for clarity and incompetence...(or a typo, same thing)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358231.page GMT War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358233.page GMT War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
torblind wrote:
Well it's not common to limit auras to models, to my knowledge. Void shield generator is the only one that comes to mind.


Correct. It's also a very confusing way to word it if the intention was to work on a model per model basis.

As such I'm pretty convinced the RAI is for it to work for the whole unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358260.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
War Hymns: You can add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of all ADEPTUS MINISTORUM INFANTRY and ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY models that are within 6" of any friendly MINISTORUM PRIESTS.

The wording given supports that all models in the units within range benefit from the rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358538.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358538.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
 Ghaz wrote:
If this rule were meant to affect individual models only, it would most likely be worded as such...

War Hymns: You can add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of all ADEPTUS MINISTORUM INFANTRY and ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY models that are within 6" of any friendly MINISTORUM PRIESTS.

The wording given supports that all models in the units within range benefit from the rule.


Well, while that is true, one could argue that keywords are not given to models but to units. Perhaps they went:
"Right this time we'er going to get it right... Oh wait. models don't have keywords, that's for units! Phew good thing I caught that or the dakkanaughts would have had my hide. Lemme just rearrange the sentence and add "units" to the end there.. like so... models in these and these units"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358545.page GMT Re:War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura
All datasheets have a list of keywords, sometimes separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used as a guide to help decide which models to include in your army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same. Sometimes a rule will say that it applies to models that have a specific keyword. For example, a rule might say that it applies to ‘all ADEPTUS ASTARTES models’. This means it would only apply to models that have the Adeptus Astartes keyword on their datasheet.
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 Ghaz wrote:
From 'Keywords', page 175 of the main rulebook:

All datasheets have a list of keywords, sometimes separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used as a guide to help decide which models to include in your army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same. Sometimes a rule will say that it applies to models that have a specific keyword. For example, a rule might say that it applies to ‘all ADEPTUS ASTARTES models’. This means it would only apply to models that have the Adeptus Astartes keyword on their datasheet.


Whopdidoo, I stand happily corrected.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358577.page GMT War Hymns affect models or units with +1A Aura GK banner also has the same confusing wording (but changing both adeptus ministrorum and astra military for Grey knights). I've found it always very confusing and I think it deserves a faq.

GK banner also provides a 6" +1 leadership Bible which is worded as "units within" and a +1 A Bible that, as the pierset, is worded as all models of units within. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/771981/10358854.page GMT