http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 40k., and oh my, how things have changed. I've come up with this list as a starting point, since I have most of the models, Contemptors and Chaincannon havocs not withstanding. I've always been interested in competitive play and efficient army building, since that's how my brain works, so I'm looking for general opinions on how this list might handle, how competitive it may or may not be, any obvious flaws or weaknesses, and any suggestions for improvement.

==Black Legion Outrider Detachment - Host Raptorial 1 CP==

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack 93pts - Warlord
Chainsword x2
Mark of Khorne
Ghorisvex’s Teeth Relic
Flames of Spite WLT

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack 97pts - Field Commander
Powersword
Chainsword
Mark of Khorne
Spineshiver Blade Relic
Tip of the Claw WLT

5 Raptors 118 pts
Champion with combi-melta, chainsword
2 melta guns
3 bolt pistol, chainsword

5 Raptors 118 pts
Champion with combi-melta, chainsword
2 melta guns
3 bolt pistol, chainsword

5 Warptalons 120 pts
5 Pairs of lightning claws
Mark of Khorne

==Red Corsairs Battalion 8 CP==

Daemon Prince with Wings 180 pts
Pair of Malefic Talons
Mark of Slaanesh
Intoxicating Elixir Relic
Death Hex

Daemon Prince with Wings 180 pts
Pair of Malefic Talons
Mark of Tzeentch
Prescience

5 Chaos Space Marines 65 pts
5 boltguns

5 Chaos Space Marines 65 pts
5 boltguns

5 Chaos Space Marines 65 pts
5 boltguns


==Red Corsairs Spearhead Detachment 2 CP==

Chaos Lord 85 pts
Chainsword
Combi-plasma

5 Havocs 150 pts
4 Reaper chaincannon
1 Boltgun
Mark of Slaanesh

Hellforged Contemptor Deadnought 138 pts
2 Butcher cannon

Hellforged Contemptor Deadnought 138 pts
2 Butcher cannon

Hellforged Contemptor Deadnought 138 pts
2 Butcher cannon

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1750 pts exactly, 10 CP after relics and detachments (-1 CP for Field Commander, -1 CP for Host Raptorial, -1 CP for Relics of the Long War, -1 CP for Gifts of Chaos)

The idea is to have a whole load of CP to use on all of the tasty shoot/fight twice stratagems (Fire Frenzy, Endless Cacophony, Fury of Khorne), and a bunch of others. (Hopefully) Decent shooting comes from the havocs and 3 contemptors in the first turn, laying down 64 S5 AP -1 D1, and 32 S8 AP -1 D2 shots per turn, with the appropriate stratagems. The CSM are there for screening, DS denial, and to provide a lot of delicious CP to feed the guns. The Princes provide psychic support, but also have a 12+2D6 threat range thanks to the Red Corsairs legion trait. The Slaanesh one is particularly nasty, with 8 S8 AP-2 D2 attacks. Turn 2 the Host Raptorial DS, threatening stuff with melta fire, multiple charges and a pair of killy-killy Chaos Lords. +2 to the charge distance really makes it much more likely to get into combat after DS (58.3% vs 27.8%), where the Lords can go to town. Warptalons can't be shot at with overwatch on the turn they charge after DS, so they tie up any shooty castles before everything else comes in.They can also fight twice for 3 CP, and re-roll all hits for 1 CP, which is nice.

That's the theory anyway. My worry is that I don't actually have enough bodies to hold objectives for longer than a turn and keep my princes screened well, and not enough T1 firepower to threaten knights effectively (a perpetual problem it seems). I think the list is decent against everything else. Butcher cannon are pretty good against flyers and bikes, chaincannon are pretty good against infantry blobs, death hex is pretty good against smash captains, knights, and eldar, and the chainlord is pretty good against everything.

Obviously, I'm yet to actually play 8th, after such a long time away from the hobby, so I'm taking all of my ideas with a heft pinch of salt , but I like the look of this army, and think it might be decent.

Please give me all of your comments and criticism.

Cheers

Regwon
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I don't think prescience will do the most work on the 2nd DP as his targets are limited. Diabolical strength or warp time is my preference. They are also lacking protection in some cases as there are no bikes or jump infantry running with them first turn. Holding them back is ok but then you'll want warp time even more.



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