<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "what should tau be in 30k?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net what should tau be in 30k? Okay, got that out of the way.

Say that someone wants to run a 30k campaign. Nids players have zoats, eldar can be more or less unchanged, ditto necrons. But what about my precious tau? When the fluff says that they were pretechnological ten thousand years ago, which AOS faction should I be bringing to a HH game? Lizardmen?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485272.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
The only way you could do it would be to have a group of Tau somehow get sucked into some part of the Warp and then get spat out in the wrong timeline.

The other option might be a rebel group of Eldar who armed primitive Tau with their own weapons and armours. So basically Eldar Tau conversions - a test army constructed in secret to test the battle potential of the species]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485285.page GMT what should tau be in 30k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485374.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
Alternatively you can use them to represent one of the countless alien empires encountered during the crusade. It wouldn’t be the Tau exactly but they could stand in for an advanced alien race.


This.

A Battlesuit heavy list sounds much like the Interex with their fighting platform things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485392.page GMT Re:what should tau be in 30k? IoM will exterminate seemingly innocent non threatening xenos species BTW this is your best example) so yeah in the Horus Heresy they'd simply not be around. Honestly, for Heresy era campaign you'd be better off just starting a marine lsit designed for it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485837.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
I know their guns would be probably garbo as iirc it was upgraded by the tau

but as a base army it might be interesting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485844.page GMT what should tau be in 30k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10485977.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Brotherjulian wrote:
Sorry, tau were still cavemen then


they likely hadn't even evolved then. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10486000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10486000.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
Alternatively you can use them to represent one of the countless alien empires encountered during the crusade. It wouldn’t be the Tau exactly but they could stand in for an advanced alien race.


Brilliant! Also, think of the conversion opportunities. Use the rules for a generic alien or even advanced human race. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488047.page GMT Re:what should tau be in 30k?


These are just some suggestions. When it comes to 30K, especially in the area of non-Marine and Titan Chaos units and aliens, the sky is often the limit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488149.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Grimtuff wrote:
 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
Alternatively you can use them to represent one of the countless alien empires encountered during the crusade. It wouldn’t be the Tau exactly but they could stand in for an advanced alien race.


This.

A Battlesuit heavy list sounds much like the Interex with their fighting platform things.
Yeah, Interex are a great shout out for this. From my understanding, they were another human civilization that was as (or maybe more) advanced as the fledgling Imperium at the time. They also had alliances with various Xenos groups.
Another option could be the Cabal, which was another group of multiple Xenos races joined together.

So fluff-wise, you should have your T'au count as either of those, because the actual T'au during 30K were indeed just primitive savannah dwellers in their own Stone age.

Alternatively, you could always say your group of 40K T'au got sucked into a Warp Rift and came out during 30K, because that's just as plausible

-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488188.page GMT what should tau be in 30k? HH game, they could stand in wonderfully for any number of Crusade era xenos factions that the Great Crusade encountered.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488191.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Vaktathi wrote:
The Tau are really just supposed to be an example of one of uncounted numbers of Xenos empires sprinkled around the galaxy, big enough to be powerful locally in their tiny pond but too small to really be significant on the galactic stage.


I think Tau are supposed to be relevent on the galactic stage. They have defeated a Tyranid Hive Fleet, a major Ork Waaagh! and an Imperial Crusade. Not only that, but following all those events, they have actually gained some territory. Their technology is rising and so are their numbers. That makes them relevent on the galactic stage, even if they are still a minor player on that stage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488508.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
The Tau are really just supposed to be an example of one of uncounted numbers of Xenos empires sprinkled around the galaxy, big enough to be powerful locally in their tiny pond but too small to really be significant on the galactic stage.


I think Tau are supposed to be relevent on the galactic stage. They have defeated a Tyranid Hive Fleet, a major Ork Waaagh! and an Imperial Crusade. Not only that, but following all those events, they have actually gained some territory. Their technology is rising and so are their numbers. That makes them relevent on the galactic stage, even if they are still a minor player on that stage.
They're big in their area, but all that takes place in essentially a tiny void between larger Imperial held regions. They held off a Hive Fleet yes...but with the assistance of the Imperial Guard/Navy, and Gorgon was a splinter fleet, not in the same size category like Behemoth or Kraken. Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters, IIRC fewer troops than were dedicated to stuff like the siege of Vraks. The Tau's FTL capabilities are some of the most limited of any 40k faction, and the extent of their empire is a small blip of a few dozen worlds in the Ultima Segmentum. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488555.page GMT what should tau be in 30k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488680.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Vaktathi wrote:
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
The Tau are really just supposed to be an example of one of uncounted numbers of Xenos empires sprinkled around the galaxy, big enough to be powerful locally in their tiny pond but too small to really be significant on the galactic stage.


I think Tau are supposed to be relevent on the galactic stage. They have defeated a Tyranid Hive Fleet, a major Ork Waaagh! and an Imperial Crusade. Not only that, but following all those events, they have actually gained some territory. Their technology is rising and so are their numbers. That makes them relevent on the galactic stage, even if they are still a minor player on that stage.
They're big in their area, but all that takes place in essentially a tiny void between larger Imperial held regions. They held off a Hive Fleet yes...but with the assistance of the Imperial Guard/Navy, and Gorgon was a splinter fleet, not in the same size category like Behemoth or Kraken. Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters, IIRC fewer troops than were dedicated to stuff like the siege of Vraks. The Tau's FTL capabilities are some of the most limited of any 40k faction, and the extent of their empire is a small blip of a few dozen worlds in the Ultima Segmentum.


god help the Tau if a tendril of Levithan ever hit them, they'd be killed and fast ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488700.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters,


That's more accurate for the battle of Taros, a small human colony that defected to the Tau which saw combat between roughly 10 000 Tau vs 20 000 Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines. The Damocles Gulf Crusade involved millions of guardsmen and at least 8 Chapters half of which were First Founding Chapters (White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Ultramarine) and two of which were second Founding (the Novamarines and the Black Templars).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488722.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters,


That's more accurate for the battle of Taros, a small human colony that defected to the Tau which saw combat between roughly 10 000 Tau vs 20 000 Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines. The Damocles Gulf Crusade involved millions of guardsmen and at least 8 Chapters half of which were First Founding Chapters (White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Ultramarine) and two of which were second Founding (the Novamarines and the Black Templars).


Didn't Damocles Gulf end when the Tyranids forced the IoM to redeploy more then anything else? if one word can sum up the Tau it's IMHO "Lucky" ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488809.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
BrianDavion wrote:
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters,


That's more accurate for the battle of Taros, a small human colony that defected to the Tau which saw combat between roughly 10 000 Tau vs 20 000 Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines. The Damocles Gulf Crusade involved millions of guardsmen and at least 8 Chapters half of which were First Founding Chapters (White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Ultramarine) and two of which were second Founding (the Novamarines and the Black Templars).


Didn't Damocles Gulf end when the Tyranids forced the IoM to redeploy more then anything else? if one word can sum up the Tau it's IMHO "Lucky"


I mean they are Blue ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488838.page GMT what should tau be in 30k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10488919.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters,


That's more accurate for the battle of Taros, a small human colony that defected to the Tau which saw combat between roughly 10 000 Tau vs 20 000 Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines. The Damocles Gulf Crusade involved millions of guardsmen and at least 8 Chapters half of which were First Founding Chapters (White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Ultramarine) and two of which were second Founding (the Novamarines and the Black Templars).
It's possible I mixed up Damocles and Taros, even then however, millions of guardsmen is an irrelevant and trivial counting of the Imperium's strength on a galactic scale, when there's tens or hundreds of trillions of them. Elements of 8 chapters may have been involved, but not the entirety of each chapter, and that's only 8 of 1000 chapters. Even that is basically just matching the scale of the Vraksian rebellion on one world that was considered a sideshow blip of a backwater warzone for most of its duration. The Tau are undoubtedly powerful matched combatant for combatant, it's just that the big players have several orders of magnitude advantage in scale.

BrianDavion wrote:
epronovost wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah they held off an Imperial Crusade, but IIRC that was a half dozen regiments (out of Billions of such regiments in the Guard) and a few marine chapters,


That's more accurate for the battle of Taros, a small human colony that defected to the Tau which saw combat between roughly 10 000 Tau vs 20 000 Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines. The Damocles Gulf Crusade involved millions of guardsmen and at least 8 Chapters half of which were First Founding Chapters (White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Ultramarine) and two of which were second Founding (the Novamarines and the Black Templars).


Didn't Damocles Gulf end when the Tyranids forced the IoM to redeploy more then anything else? if one word can sum up the Tau it's IMHO "Lucky"
That's basically the story of the Tau. There's a lot going on in the galaxy and all the big players have more important things to worry about than a small conglomeration of a couple dozen worlds when they lost twice as many systems in the last week to bigger fish ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489038.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
 Vaktathi wrote:
The Tau are really just supposed to be an example of one of uncounted numbers of Xenos empires sprinkled around the galaxy, big enough to be powerful locally in their tiny pond but too small to really be significant on the galactic stage


Honestly before the mech suits really became popular I think the Tau were going to be a catch-all army comprised of all the hanging on Xenos. A means for GW to have some creative xenos forces without having to make a whole army for them. However the Crisis suits and the whole mech-appeal of the army really took off in a big way. Even the main ally, the Kroot, have been left in the dust (so to speak) compared to the advances in mech suits. Heck FW has a huge number of mech suits and parts way above what many other Xenos factions got from FW (even the long standing Tyranids have a tiny offering compared to Tau).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489062.page GMT Re:what should tau be in 30k?
Otherwise...play'em as some other xenos race present in 30k, but gets crushed by the IoM before 40k.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489209.page GMT Re:what should tau be in 30k?
 Red Marine wrote:
A twinkle in their grand pappy's eye.

Otherwise...play'em as some other xenos race present in 30k, but gets crushed by the IoM before 40k.


call them the Sigmatari it sounds warhammerish, and Sigma is the letter that comes before Tau in the greek alphabet ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10489213.page GMT what should tau be in 30k?
xenos from planet weeb ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10491620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/777111/10491620.page GMT