JNAProductions wrote:
Idle musings for a future project.

A group of Imperium people-Guard, perhaps a few Marine Chapters, that kind of thing-are growing more and more disaffected with the Imperium. When Guilliman returns, they see hope-but in the past century, with little changed for the better, they decide "Feth it, the Emperor is dead, Guilliman ain't fixing anything-time to secede."

They do so quietly, just stopping sending their tithes, ignoring messages, and possibly capturing/killing anyone sent to investigate, and set up their own little place in a quiet corner of the galaxy.

Does that sound like a reasonable thing in the fluff? Or am I crazy?

BrianDavion wrote:
as not online hapened, this is pretty common, a world for whatever reason loses faith in the Imperium and decides they're gonna go italone, then the next tith ship shows up, is told to go away and the world gets invaded.

sometimes the world even gets forgotten about for a few centuries and thinks they've gotten away with it

locarno24 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
as not online hapened, this is pretty common, a world for whatever reason loses faith in the Imperium and decides they're gonna go italone, then the next tith ship shows up, is told to go away and the world gets invaded.

sometimes the world even gets forgotten about for a few centuries and thinks they've gotten away with it

Over the age of the Imperium, sure. But in Imperium Nihilus? These days? The imperium is dealing with earthshaking crises every 0.02 seconds and whole sectors have been cut off since the rift opens. It's become quite reasonable that no-one might notice a small cluster of systems has stopped answering their mail; depending on how contact was lost, the administratum might well incorrectly write the region off as destroyed... and a smart rebel might even stage it that way.

craggy wrote:
This is kind of the basic idea of a project I'm slowly working on at the moment in between other stuff. A planetary lord having found himself cut off/abandoned and striking out on his own, working for the highest bidder to further his own ambition. Sometimes they work with agents of the Imperium who are unaware of their sedition, other times they might ally with xenos worshippers to destabilise the Imperium (and put the focus on a more obvious threat) whilst other times they might lend their services to a Chaos lord. Guard/Brood Brothers/R&H in one army.

BrianDavion wrote:

craggy wrote:
This is kind of the basic idea of a project I'm slowly working on at the moment in between other stuff. A planetary lord having found himself cut off/abandoned and striking out on his own, working for the highest bidder to further his own ambition. Sometimes they work with agents of the Imperium who are unaware of their sedition, other times they might ally with xenos worshippers to destabilise the Imperium (and put the focus on a more obvious threat) whilst other times they might lend their services to a Chaos lord. Guard/Brood Brothers/R&H in one army.

honestly that doesn't really work, if you work with a genestealer cult it's because you've been suborned,. they're absolutely horrifying, no one would willingly work with such a force. (especially as they're always a local insurgancy)

and if they start working with chaos, well.. they're going to be corrupted.

now if you wanna paint your Guard the same colour scheme as your GSC stuff that's easily done. "the GSC are the traitors who split from the regiment"

Iracundus wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

craggy wrote:
This is kind of the basic idea of a project I'm slowly working on at the moment in between other stuff. A planetary lord having found himself cut off/abandoned and striking out on his own, working for the highest bidder to further his own ambition. Sometimes they work with agents of the Imperium who are unaware of their sedition, other times they might ally with xenos worshippers to destabilise the Imperium (and put the focus on a more obvious threat) whilst other times they might lend their services to a Chaos lord. Guard/Brood Brothers/R&H in one army.

honestly that doesn't really work, if you work with a genestealer cult it's because you've been suborned,. they're absolutely horrifying, no one would willingly work with such a force. (especially as they're always a local insurgancy)

and if they start working with chaos, well.. they're going to be corrupted.

now if you wanna paint your Guard the same colour scheme as your GSC stuff that's easily done. "the GSC are the traitors who split from the regiment"

GSC maintain a front for many years and others may work with them, unaware of what they are. Codex GSC for example shows how Ghosar Quintus was regarded as a model mining world with a hard working compliant population that required only the bare minimum to survive. As a result their ore and workers were exported all over, spreading the cult. Elsewhere in the Codex, a similar export driven model is given as an example of how GSC can spread from agri-worlds.

A GSC that has taken over a world or mercantile organization might offer seemingly good deals to a harried planetary lord. Beset by problems on many fronts, such a lord might take the offer, thinking they haven negotiated a good deal, and on the surface it might very well be a good deal if it allows the lord to get ore or food or whatever in large quantities or cheap prices. That's because the GSC doesn't ultimately care about such things.

BrianDavion wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

craggy wrote:
This is kind of the basic idea of a project I'm slowly working on at the moment in between other stuff. A planetary lord having found himself cut off/abandoned and striking out on his own, working for the highest bidder to further his own ambition. Sometimes they work with agents of the Imperium who are unaware of their sedition, other times they might ally with xenos worshippers to destabilise the Imperium (and put the focus on a more obvious threat) whilst other times they might lend their services to a Chaos lord. Guard/Brood Brothers/R&H in one army.

honestly that doesn't really work, if you work with a genestealer cult it's because you've been suborned,. they're absolutely horrifying, no one would willingly work with such a force. (especially as they're always a local insurgancy)

and if they start working with chaos, well.. they're going to be corrupted.

now if you wanna paint your Guard the same colour scheme as your GSC stuff that's easily done. "the GSC are the traitors who split from the regiment"

GSC maintain a front for many years and others may work with them, unaware of what they are. Codex GSC for example shows how Ghosar Quintus was regarded as a model mining world with a hard working compliant population that required only the bare minimum to survive. As a result their ore and workers were exported all over, spreading the cult. Elsewhere in the Codex, a similar export driven model is given as an example of how GSC can spread from agri-worlds.

A GSC that has taken over a world or mercantile organization might offer seemingly good deals to a harried planetary lord. Beset by problems on many fronts, such a lord might take the offer, thinking they haven negotiated a good deal, and on the surface it might very well be a good deal if it allows the lord to get ore or food or whatever in large quantities or cheap prices. That's because the GSC doesn't ultimately care about such things.

right my point is that a GSC isn't going to approiuch a lord governer and say "ohh hey we're a genestealer cult, wanna help us on planet X?"

even CHAOS Humans tend to not be willing to work that far with xenos