http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Being able to shoot and ignore cover saves with extra hits on a D6 or
Being able to fall back without being tarpited by melee and still being able to shoot, all be it at -1 including vehicles?

I got a blood angels army but with the new space marine codex (and wanting to be able to field centurions) gun line now looks a lot better, especially bolter weapons now,
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Right now though it looks like iron hands would beat ultramarines for a vehicle-based gunline. They’re just so tough that they will tend to outlast anyone else in a shoot out. A gunline that doesn’t auto-lose to another gunline if you go second is a huge advantage.

The ultramarine chapter tactic of falling back and shooting is a lot less important now that repulsor executioners are a thing. Basically the best unit (probably) to build a gunline around can fly, so it doesn’t need the ultramarine CT. many of the other units that really work well as iron hands fly in fact - things like suppressors and the planes themselves.

But ultimately the best option might be to make a home brew chapter right now. We’re in this really frustrating period where a crucial set of our rules aren’t yet available. I’ve got s Crimson Fist army and it’s very annoying to have lost all the relics and strays I had. I expect I’ll get them back again eventually, probably with a fancy new Primaris Pedro, but till then I feel like I can’t build the army any more because I don’t know what units will be best. And I’ve got a load of grey plastic, including three executioners, that I’m very tempted to paint up as iron hands. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/780339/10572605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/780339/10572605.page GMT