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				<description><![CDATA[ So this Autumn's project has been <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>de</span>-looting Ork Dakka Jets into their Imperial counterparts.  It's a fun little projects and honestly makes me wish <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> would make an Imperial equivalent to their Dakka Jet kit.  Lots of little options to change the shape or orientation of the wings and tail really make it a fun kit to play around with, and best of all the Orky parts are easy to leave off!<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1036578-Avenger%2C%20Counts%20As%2C%20Dakkajet%2C%20Fighter%2C%20Flyer%2C%20Imperial%20Guard%2C%20Orks%2C%20Thunderbolt.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2019/11/29/1036578_sm-Avenger%2C%20Counts%20As%2C%20Dakkajet%2C%20Fighter%2C%20Flyer%2C%20Imperial%20Guard%2C%20Orks%2C%20Thunderbolt.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /> <br /> Anyway, so I ordered two more.<br /> <br /> I'm thinking of turning one into a Lightning but can't figure out what the point is.  It's supposed to be this great dog fighter (vs the Thunderbolt which is a fighter bomber but there's nothing in the rules to reflect it.  It has fewer guns than the Thunderbolt, 2 lascannons & an autocannon, vs 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> and 2 lascannons and both can get missiles and bombs.  They're similar points (90 vs 100) but once you add the guns the TBolt is more expensive.  Other than that I don't see an advantage.<br /> <br /> Am I missing something?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Imperial Guard index from Forge World has its profil and cost.]]></description>
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				<title>Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6fe864cac5d5e402d1edd55b1b5a9887.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/782922/10645587.page"><b>godardc wrote:</b></a><br/>The Imperial Guard index from Forge World has its profil and cost.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I have that I just don't see why anyone would take it over the Thunderbolt other than the slight break in points.  It's like taking a Predator if the Leman Russ is available.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:58:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh, sorry. Well, it's a gakky flyer for sure. We'll see if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> finally fix the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> stuff one day ...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:00:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> units took a bit of a slap with the Index and Chapter Approved points increases. <br /> <br /> In general most of them aren't worth fielding outside of fun and the rule of cool.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:05:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/854e16b029f5891198a7645b4772e126.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/782922/10645620.page"><b>Sentineil wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> units took a bit of a slap with the Index and Chapter Approved points increases. <br /> <br /> In general most of them aren't worth fielding outside of fun and the rule of cool.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Is the issue points?  Because the TBolt with 8 S7 shots and 2 S9 that can go anywhere in the battlefield seems really tasty.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:44:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Kid_Kyoto]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Looking at the datasheets I guess the extremely situational advantage of the Lightning is that it can be kitted out with purely 72'' weaponry. So should you play on really large tables were you are able and willing to keep your distance above 48'' you don't have to pay for weapons that will be out of reach. But as I said: that will hardly ever come up]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 15:16:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The problem with saying something's a great dogfighter is that you're then wandering into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, where ground-attack potential is the only thing that really matters and maneuverability for all aircraft is basically the same. There's a point to the Lightning conceptually in AI (it isn't out for new!AI yet but in old!AI it had Very High maneuverability and could make much tighter turns than a Thunderbolt) but if you want to represent aircraft on the scale of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> there's no reason to use the Lightning at all. It's a P-51 vs. the Thunderbolt's P-47 when ground-attack firepower is the only thing the game cares about.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:06:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There's stuff they could do give it an invulnerable dodge save or -2 to hit vs the normal -1 or something.  But yeah.<br /> <br /> I'll probably still build a proxy, I really don't see myself needing more than 2 or 3 so the ones I have coming in are just gravy.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:08:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Kid_Kyoto]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ But then we're getting into logical difficulties, like why a Lightning (speed 2-6 acceleration 2 Very High maneuverability) gets the extra to-hit penalty but a Nightwing (speed 2-9 acceleration 3 Very High maneuverability) doesn't despite it having the same problem with existing in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, and if you give it to them Alaitoc Nightwings are going to be the new spammy hotness with -3 to hit built in and -4 with the stratagem...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:14:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ AnomanderRake]]></author>
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				<title>Dos the FW Lightning have a point in 8th edition?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c9befceba99b8513348859bc6e9f2f49.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/782922/10646815.page"><b>AnomanderRake wrote:</b></a><br/>But then we're getting into logical difficulties, like why a Lightning (speed 2-6 acceleration 2 Very High maneuverability) gets the extra to-hit penalty but a Nightwing (speed 2-9 acceleration 3 Very High maneuverability) doesn't despite it having the same problem with existing in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, and if you give it to them Alaitoc Nightwings are going to be the new spammy hotness with -3 to hit built in and -4 with the stratagem...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well the easy fix there is to say that after 30,000 years of fighting Slannesh the Eldar have finally gone extinct, solves a lot of other problems too  <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Nov 2019 17:28:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Kid_Kyoto]]></author>
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