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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris? What the title says, it looks to me like many of the new primaris units are a return to hh ones in both feel and look.

Eliminators are similar to recon squads in the use of camo cloaks, sniper rifles, and infiltration.

Hellblasters have similarities with the new da Interemptors.

Most interestingly, in that they resemble the tactics of a traitor legion, reivers seem to be a return to Night Lords Terror Squads. Terror tactics, infiltration an emphasis on close quarters combat, even the shull faced helms.

Anyone else seeing this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729330.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729337.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Legion Recon Squads are still closer to Scouts, to also wear camo cloaks, can have carapace armour, infiltration and snipers. The only similarity that Eliminators have is that they technically do wear power armour - but they come in smaller units and are treated as a support unit instead of a battleline one.

Good points. What about the reivers? They seem to be a pretty obvious terror squad redux.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729388.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris? hh units as much as I'd say it's just Guilliman doing his classic thing of pinching units that work well from other people/eras.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729713.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris? HH Units were mostly monoweapon squads that did one job well. Whereas the old 40K tactical marines all had bolters and swapped one or two weapons out for special ones. Essentially we are seeing Guiliman bringing HH combat to 40k. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10729753.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

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His Primarchs story is about his reluctance to use Destroyer squads, so he was already thinking of changes before the Heresy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736336.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736350.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
HH Units were mostly monoweapon squads that did one job well. Whereas the old 40K tactical marines all had bolters and swapped one or two weapons out for special ones. Essentially we are seeing Guiliman bringing HH combat to 40k.

Which begs the question, why don't the legions practice this? Why don't they still use such specialized squads?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736355.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

pm713 wrote:
Why be reluctant to use Destroyers?

Because they slowly kill the user, and in a post-Heresy galaxy, this is exactly the kind of torture that can make marines fall to chaos.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736385.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

jareddm wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Why be reluctant to use Destroyers?

Because they slowly kill the user, and in a post-Heresy galaxy, this is exactly the kind of torture that can make marines fall to chaos.

It was also shortly after Monarchia, so Guilliman wanted to be seen as empire creator, not destroyer. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736433.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

Nightlord1987 wrote:

jareddm wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Why be reluctant to use Destroyers?
Because they slowly kill the user, and in a post-Heresy galaxy, this is exactly the kind of torture that can make marines fall to chaos.

It was also shortly after Monarchia, so Guilliman wanted to be seen as empire creator, not destroyer.

Ah, thought you meant in M42. Though while he was reluctant, he didn't deny their use outright the way Vulkan did.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10736455.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

Gadzilla666 wrote:

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
HH Units were mostly monoweapon squads that did one job well. Whereas the old 40K tactical marines all had bolters and swapped one or two weapons out for special ones. Essentially we are seeing Guiliman bringing HH combat to 40k.

Which begs the question, why don't the legions practice this? Why don't they still use such specialized squads?

Real answer: Because GW didn't think that far ahead about how HH units fought.

In Lore Answer: Specialized units follow the HH pattern; Plague Marines, Rubric Marines, Noise Marines, Beserkers, etc... But the Tactical Squad equivalents stole Codex Astartes' tactics to better counter 40k marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10737716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/785933/10737716.page GMT Is Guilliman reviving hh era units through primaris?

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
DontEatRawHagis wrote:
HH Units were mostly monoweapon squads that did one job well. Whereas the old 40K tactical marines all had bolters and swapped one or two weapons out for special ones. Essentially we are seeing Guiliman bringing HH combat to 40k.

Which begs the question, why don't the legions practice this? Why don't they still use such specialized squads?

That makes sense, at least for gw.

But I still want my Terror Squads!

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