Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Basically given how far gone Lorgar and his legion were even before Monarchia and the treatment Lorgar and his legion gave to planets they conquered, should the Emperor have just dialed up Russ, Guilliman and let's say Dorn and say that Lorgar's gone too far and so has his legion and his will be the third legion to be taken out.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Basically given how far gone Lorgar and his legion were even before Monarchia and the treatment Lorgar and his legion gave to planets they conquered, should the Emperor have just dialed up Russ, Guilliman and let's say Dorn and say that Lorgar's gone too far and so has his legion and his will be the third legion to be taken out.

I mean in hindsight he should have killed every traitor Primarch except for arguably Magnus lol.

Given what he knew at the time killing Lorgar would have been a huge overreaction and abuse of power and only the more blindly loyal of his sons like Dorn or Russ (and maybe not even him, since he liked and defended Lorgar) would support it I'd imagine.

 Arbitrator wrote:
It anybody should've been taken out back with an especially large shotgun it ought to have been Angron.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
It anybody should've been taken out back with an especially large shotgun it ought to have been Angron.

Angron's retrieval was botched by the Emperor, getting him a legitimate grudge right off the bat.
Curze, on the other hand, was never anything but a monster.

 Manchu wrote:
The better question is, why didn’t he just kill Lorgar?

I don’t think he spared him out of paternal affection or to avoid creating political turmoil. He doesn’t seem capable of affection. And sparing him arguably created more political turmoil than executing him would have. Also, other Primarchs may have already been executed at that point.

My theory has always been that the Heresy was the plan all along and that Lorgar was behaving exactly as the Emperor desired.

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Basically given how far gone Lorgar and his legion were even before Monarchia and the treatment Lorgar and his legion gave to planets they conquered, should the Emperor have just dialed up Russ, Guilliman and let's say Dorn and say that Lorgar's gone too far and so has his legion and his will be the third legion to be taken out.

Shinji wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
The better question is, why didn’t he just kill Lorgar?

I don’t think he spared him out of paternal affection or to avoid creating political turmoil. He doesn’t seem capable of affection. And sparing him arguably created more political turmoil than executing him would have. Also, other Primarchs may have already been executed at that point.

My theory has always been that the Heresy was the plan all along and that Lorgar was behaving exactly as the Emperor desired.

He does refer to them as his sons. The problem is that a lot of his treatment can be excused with necessity as he is literally trying to stave off quite literally hell.

Voss wrote:

Shinji wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
The better question is, why didn’t he just kill Lorgar?

I don’t think he spared him out of paternal affection or to avoid creating political turmoil. He doesn’t seem capable of affection. And sparing him arguably created more political turmoil than executing him would have. Also, other Primarchs may have already been executed at that point.

My theory has always been that the Heresy was the plan all along and that Lorgar was behaving exactly as the Emperor desired.

He does refer to them as his sons. The problem is that a lot of his treatment can be excused with necessity as he is literally trying to stave off quite literally hell.

The first doesn't mean affection though. Its been broadly hinted lately that 'sons' was just simple manipulation.

Same with the second. It isn't entirely clear how he saw none of this coming, through either his ridiculous psychic powers or ~40000+ years of experience. Which begs the question of how much hell he wanted to happen in order to achieve his goals.

The other theory is, of course, that the Heresy was his cost for calling on the chaos powers to help create the primarchs in the first place. Maybe he thought he could get away without paying the cost, but that leads back to the unavoidable conclusion if he didn't plan for the Heresy- that the Emperor is the biggest idiot ever.

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Basically given how far gone Lorgar and his legion were even before Monarchia and the treatment Lorgar and his legion gave to planets they conquered, should the Emperor have just dialed up Russ, Guilliman and let's say Dorn and say that Lorgar's gone too far and so has his legion and his will be the third legion to be taken out.