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I don't have a specific point value in mind, but am looking for something equivalent to a beginner box. Does anyone have any suggestions, even if it's just a good HQ matchup (I can add in a couple of troop units)?

I appreciate any advice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914393.page GMT HQ's.

What you want to avoid is the Eldar having tons of long range firepower or super-mobility, or the Orks having everything buttoned up in transports or on bikes making the units like Dire avengers just totally useless. The Eldar should be slightly faster, and have a few fire support units.

Something like: Eldar Patrol Detachment

HQ: Farseer 115. Guide and Fortune.

Troops: Dire Avengers x5 65, Shield and Glaive Exarch 5
Troops: Guardians X10 100, Shuriken Cannon Platform 10

Elites: Striking Scorpions x5 65, Biting Blade 5

Fast: Vyper 40, Bright Lance 20

Heavy: Wraithlord 100, Starcannons x2 30

505pts.

Ork Patrol Detachment

HQ: Warboss 70 Killsaw 10, Attack Squig 0, Kombi-Rokkit 10

Troops: Boyz x10 80, Shootas
Troops: Boyz x20 160, Sluggas+Choppas, Choppa Nob

Fast: Kustom Boosta-Blasta 90

Heavy: Deff Dread with 2x Rokkits 90
505pts

You've got the KBB which is honestly just a really fun piece to pilot what with the 6-shot cannon, the mobility, and the flamer exhausts, you've got a larger scary blob of orks (that you could just run as a single unit honestly if that's more fun, orks as a gigantic mob are great fun) and you've got each army having a few 'exciting' antitank weapons with the potential for big damage on a lucky hit, but nothing like Fire Dragons or Tankbustas that would probably feel like a letdown just one-shotting the big piece from either army super easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914470.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791621/10914597.page GMT