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For the record i dont know what Clan ill put them in yet, and i guess it doesnt matter. I mean, they dont get any clan bonuses unless i take that Grot clan thing.


Furthermore, which of the weapons they can take, would serve them best?
- Big shoota
- Skorcha
- Grotzooka
- Rokkit launcha
- Kustom mega-blasta

And am i supposed to understand it correctly that all grot tanks can also have a regular shooter sticking out somewhere? that is free of charge? (why CAN they have one? why DONT they just have one since its free?) i dont recall seeing that before, nor have i seen before that they needed a big mek in order to be allowed in an army? Oh well that last part doesnt matter i guess.

in advance, thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914626.page GMT Re:can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks? BS 4+, reroll 1's, dakkadakka on 6's.

You can make a grot clan as a second detachment fairly easy, sticking them in their with some mek guns that benefit more directly from the clan trait. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914630.page GMT Re:can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
 Grumblewartz wrote:
As an avid user of grot tanks and grot mega tanks, I have to tell you that unfortunately they are in a bad spot right now. They are overpriced and not that effective. With that said, the best use for them is in a Grot detachment to get the reroll ones. I would then equip them with kustom mega blastas, which can do some serious damage on a BS 4+, reroll 1's, dakkadakka on 6's.

You can make a grot clan as a second detachment fairly easy, sticking them in their with some mek guns that benefit more directly from the clan trait.


thanks for the reply bud. Yea i figured they were in a bad spot but again, i got them for free so i might as well bring them for a fun local store game. SO you would give them Kustom mega blastas. i thought of that too.

Have you tried using them with a big shoota for reliable shooting and sustain damage?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914633.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
But it is a WHOLE battery of mek gunz, the orks absolute MVP unit, literally single best thing in the codex, that you got FOR FREE, you are absolutely leaving a ton of utility on the table not running them as that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914637.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
the_scotsman wrote:
If you must run grot tanks as grot tanks and you refuse to run them as the mek gunz they are the exact same size as, then I would run them with Grotzookas with free shootas. This makes them dedicated 18" range anti-infantry units, and you can imagine that the free shoota makes up for all the melee threat and reliability you lose by not making them Killa Kanz.

But it is a WHOLE battery of mek gunz, the orks absolute MVP unit, literally single best thing in the codex, that you got FOR FREE, you are absolutely leaving a ton of utility on the table not running them as that.


Wait wait hold up for one moment.

How am i supposed to turn them in to mek guns? they're Grot tanks not mek guns. Care to explain what you mean? i have not gotten any of the Mek Gun modifications with me, and unless a Mek Gun can fire a Grotzooka or a Kustom mega blasta then i dont understand what you mean. There is also no aditional crew for my Grot tanks that would otherwise accompany the Mek Guns?


Ill have you know, i dont own any Mek Guns, i barely know what comes along side them. I only wanted to make Grot tanks because grot tanks is what i got.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914650.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Beardedragon wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
If you must run grot tanks as grot tanks and you refuse to run them as the mek gunz they are the exact same size as, then I would run them with Grotzookas with free shootas. This makes them dedicated 18" range anti-infantry units, and you can imagine that the free shoota makes up for all the melee threat and reliability you lose by not making them Killa Kanz.

But it is a WHOLE battery of mek gunz, the orks absolute MVP unit, literally single best thing in the codex, that you got FOR FREE, you are absolutely leaving a ton of utility on the table not running them as that.


Wait wait hold up for one moment.

How am i supposed to turn them in to mek guns? they're Grot tanks not mek guns. Care to explain what you mean? i have not gotten any of the Mek Gun modifications with me, and unless a Mek Gun can fire a Grotzooka or a Kustom mega blasta then i dont understand what you mean. There is also no aditional crew for my Grot tanks that would otherwise accompany the Mek Guns?


Ill have you know, i dont known any Mek Guns, i barely know what comes along side them. I only wanted to make Grot tanks because grot tanks is what i got.


Assault guns were a thing. Yes they classified as Arty.
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Beardedragon wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
If you must run grot tanks as grot tanks and you refuse to run them as the mek gunz they are the exact same size as, then I would run them with Grotzookas with free shootas. This makes them dedicated 18" range anti-infantry units, and you can imagine that the free shoota makes up for all the melee threat and reliability you lose by not making them Killa Kanz.

But it is a WHOLE battery of mek gunz, the orks absolute MVP unit, literally single best thing in the codex, that you got FOR FREE, you are absolutely leaving a ton of utility on the table not running them as that.


Wait wait hold up for one moment.

How am i supposed to turn them in to mek guns? they're Grot tanks not mek guns. Care to explain what you mean? i have not gotten any of the Mek Gun modifications with me, and unless a Mek Gun can fire a Grotzooka or a Kustom mega blasta then i dont understand what you mean. There is also no aditional crew for my Grot tanks that would otherwise accompany the Mek Guns?


Ill have you know, i dont known any Mek Guns, i barely know what comes along side them. I only wanted to make Grot tanks because grot tanks is what i got.


A mek gun is a model with wheels that is about the same size as a grot tank. A little bigger.

I would 1000% buy a grot tank as just as perfectly legitimately a proxy for a mek gun as the proxies that nearly every ork player I know uses for mek guns.

it's a gun, it's about the right size, it's manned by grots - sure, it's a mek gun.

Can't use it at a tournament but you say you've got kromlech models anyway. So who cares, not tourney legal pieces anyway.


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If you run grot tanks as mek guns, what they'll do is they'll move slightly slower than you'd think a grot tank should move (3" instead of 2d6") and they'd have about a million times the useful firepower.

Defensively I think mek gunz are actually tougher, lol. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914662.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
For tournement uses i figured i could still use the Grot tanks from Kromlech i mean they barely look different from Forge Worlds own to begin with.

I think ill keep them as Grot tanks, because i havent even made any actual Mek guns yet. I dont know if i want to try and kitbash stuff together i havent made a regular version of first, if you know what i mean.

Besides, it cant be that difficult to get a hold of a Mek gun model can it? but i do otherwise agree with you, Mek guns are actually useful. I dont understand why you would buy a Grot tank just to proxy it as a Mek gun though, why not just buy a Mek gun then?

I got these units before 9th rules and point changes were announced in all its glory, and my plan was to make an actual 500 point Grot army.

With Grots, Mega tanks, tanks and Mek guns, as support to my actual army otherwise. Just for fun that is. But now with Grots costing 5 points per model? sigh.. thats why i havent made my Grot tanks yet because i feel like GW blew a thousand holes in to that plan by making grots so expensive.


But i dont know what ill do.. i think ill turn them in to regular Grot tanks and not Mek guns. Maybe.. still unsure really.


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Oh and yea ill probably go with Kustom Mega Blastas or Grotzookas.

Not sure which yet]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914679.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks? lol.

Give them a try, sure, but grot tanks are bad killa kanz, and killla kanz are bad....Just bad.

Grot megatanks are just hilarious, too. Gigantic model, the size of a pair of rhino chassis, 160pts for the version I use, and its T7/9W lol. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10914955.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
If you still want to run the tank as themselves, KMB are probably the best option. Big shootas might sound good on paper, but without AP the few shots that do hit tend to bounce off armor.
Grotzookas are in a very similar boat, they are just too expensive for a gun whose main purpose is blowing up cheap infantry - that's something orks don't really need any help with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915039.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?

I think what held me back was the idea that Mek Guns are made by GW and thus easy to get, where Grot tanks either need Forge Worlds or Kromlech, which i cant just pick up at my friendly local store.. So now i do have some grot tanks (albeit useless i guess in the grand sheme of things) and i doubt ill get many other grot tanks.

But im unsure what i will do now. IF i go grot tanks i will go for KMB, but if go for Mek Guns , should i go Smasha Gun or Traktor Kannons?
Or maybe the Bubblechukka? didnt that weapon receive the blast weapon rule?

Since i dont own any Mek guns, im a bit unsure what all 3 weapons look like and i dont think i have any proper weapons to spare as a substitute. I might have a KMB or two somewhere extra though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915170.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Beardedragon wrote:
Yea you guys do make a case here. Maybe i should turn them in to Mek Guns, especially if you say Grot tanks are cheaper than Mek guns in general (to buy).


I think what held me back was the idea that Mek Guns are made by GW and thus easy to get, where Grot tanks either need Forge Worlds or Kromlech, which i cant just pick up at my friendly local store.. So now i do have some grot tanks (albeit useless i guess in the grand sheme of things) and i doubt ill get many other grot tanks.

But im unsure what i will do now. IF i go grot tanks i will go for KMB, but if go for Mek Guns , should i go Smasha Gun or Traktor Kannons?
Or maybe the Bubblechukka? didnt that weapon receive the blast weapon rule?

Since i dont own any Mek guns, im a bit unsure what all 3 weapons look like and i dont think i have any proper weapons to spare as a substitute. I might have a KMB or two somewhere extra though.


No idea about the guns itself, but , have you allready assembled them?
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
Yea you guys do make a case here. Maybe i should turn them in to Mek Guns, especially if you say Grot tanks are cheaper than Mek guns in general (to buy).


I think what held me back was the idea that Mek Guns are made by GW and thus easy to get, where Grot tanks either need Forge Worlds or Kromlech, which i cant just pick up at my friendly local store.. So now i do have some grot tanks (albeit useless i guess in the grand sheme of things) and i doubt ill get many other grot tanks.

But im unsure what i will do now. IF i go grot tanks i will go for KMB, but if go for Mek Guns , should i go Smasha Gun or Traktor Kannons?
Or maybe the Bubblechukka? didnt that weapon receive the blast weapon rule?

Since i dont own any Mek guns, im a bit unsure what all 3 weapons look like and i dont think i have any proper weapons to spare as a substitute. I might have a KMB or two somewhere extra though.


No idea about the guns itself, but , have you allready assembled them?


Nah. i havent even removed those blocks holding them from when they were 3D printed. Ive only taken them out of their bag and washed them. I need like a saw or something to get those large blocks off which i dont have yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915184.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Because why not build them as something that can work as both, arty and grot tanks?


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Not Online!!! wrote:
how proficent are you with plasticard?

Because why not build them as something that can work as both, arty and grot tanks?




Well. i started playing warhammer 40k 3 months ago, so my answer would be: i dont even know what that means. The only thing ive Kit bashed so far was a Big mek with KFF, using Big mek in Mega armor parts and placing them on top of a Nob.

Hardly the hardest thing to do. I have no skills at otherwise kit bashing and converting things. Obviously i have to start somewhere but still.

But i like the idea of being able to make both and i did think about it. My limitations from lack of experience simply holds me from doing so, however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915189.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Beardedragon wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
how proficent are you with plasticard?

Because why not build them as something that can work as both, arty and grot tanks?




Well. i started playing warhammer 40k 3 months ago, so my answer would be: i dont even know what that means. The only thing ive Kit bashed so far was a Big mek with KFF, using Big mek in Mega armor parts and placing them on top of a Nob.

Hardly the hardest thing to do. I have no skills at otherwise kit bashing and converting things. Obviously i have to start somewhere but still.


Ahhh, well, plasticard is basically a thin sheet of plastic, often used to modify existing models, my suggestion would^ve been to make them into SPA.

That way you'd have "future proofed them" , by allowing you to easily say today they are mek guns, tommorow they are grot tanks.

But i like the idea of being able to make both and i did think about it. My limitations from lack of experience simply holds me from doing so, however.


Orks are forgiving in that regard, because, well orks, ramshackle is the name of the game.
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Lean in here, don't tell the space marine players, I'm gonna give you a little xenos secret.

>.>


<.<


98% of the playerbase at a time does not know what any given Xenos option, or Xenos Color Scheme, is "supposed" to look like.

If you put something down on the table, and it's generally the right size, and it has a gun on it, and it looks....like some kind of cannon? And you point at that thing and you tell your opponent "hey, these are all Smasha gunz" - most opponents are going to shrug, say "OK" and you'll move on to the next thing in your army.

ESPECIALLY orks. I've known....seven ork players at this point, including myself, and with every single one there is an understanding that when you turn up to the table, there's going to be SOMETHING that's going to be absolutely crazy that you're facing off against.

Myself, I field a looted carnifex and a kitbashed Venerable Dreadnought holding a trukk wrecking ball with a flail and with a nob head sticking out of the top where there's usually the little space marine helmet, and a Vindicator with a Rok and Roll stage on top done up like mad max. Oh and also I have my Grot army where Squigs are Boyz, Fanatics are double choppa nobz, Mauler squigs are bonebreakas, and I have grot versions of every ork support character like weirdboyz warbosses kff meks doks and runtherds.

People love that gak. The only thing you have to do as a courtesy, is keep it consistent. If everything looks crazy, make sure it has the same rules, and make sure those rules generally make sense.

Nothing on my mangler squigs has a gun or ranged weapon, so I make sure to run it as a bonebreaka with no ranged weaponry. Makes sense! So with grot tank mek gunz, what I'd do as a courtesy is make sure they were always run as all the same thing, and I'd avoid the Rokkit or Big Shoota options because those weapons are very easily recognizable. KMBs and Grotzookas are a much better choice, because your opponent will look at either of those and go "OK, generic, weird Orky Kannon going on right there."

Personally, I don't get why the Grot Crew is mandatory, they literally have a rule that says they're "Ignored for all game purposes" but that's just me. I'd run them with grot krew, but that's because I own over 300 individually named grot models and I am NOT passing up a chance to put some on the table.


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Not Online!!! wrote:


That way you'd have "future proofed them" , by allowing you to easily say today they are mek guns, tommorow they are grot tanks.



I would accomplish this by building them as grot tanks, however I most like the way they look.Maybe grot tanks with grotzookas will be really good someday. That'd be cool. Build them like that.

Then if grot tanks get new good rules, you start running them as grot tanks.

and if they don't, run them as mek gunz. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915251.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
the_scotsman wrote:

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Not Online!!! wrote:


That way you'd have "future proofed them" , by allowing you to easily say today they are mek guns, tommorow they are grot tanks.



I would accomplish this by building them as grot tanks, however I most like the way they look.Maybe grot tanks with grotzookas will be really good someday. That'd be cool. Build them like that.

Then if grot tanks get new good rules, you start running them as grot tanks.

and if they don't, run them as mek gunz.


my suggestion would be doing something like this, indeed with the grotzuka.
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Considering we are talking Kromlech which has this WW1/2 y look for orks i think it would be a fair shot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915274.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
I dont know. having never owned Mek Guns its like, even though ive seen pictures of them, i lack the imagination to fully comprehend their size and what not.

But i think i will try and make them both Mek Gunz, but also Grot tanks at the same time. Maybe make some sort of Sand Bag area or protection walls i can put in front of the grot tanks to indicate they are stationary? im not sure yet. I know Mek guns arent immobile but they sure arent that mobile either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915498.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Just make sure to not use them as tanks and mek guns in the same game, that will confuse your opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915511.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
Beardedragon wrote:
I think my biggest problem in making custom made Mek Guns from Grot tanks is that ive never held a Mek gun in my hand. i dont know how large the model is compared to the grot tanks i have etc.

I dont know. having never owned Mek Guns its like, even though ive seen pictures of them, i lack the imagination to fully comprehend their size and what not.

But i think i will try and make them both Mek Gunz, but also Grot tanks at the same time. Maybe make some sort of Sand Bag area or protection walls i can put in front of the grot tanks to indicate they are stationary? im not sure yet. I know Mek guns arent immobile but they sure arent that mobile either.


Mek Gunz are a tiny bit bigger. Looking at the kromlech models I'd bet dollars to donuts theyre VERY much identical to the Forgeworld grot tank models, which is what I have.

Grot tanks are a little taller, mek guns are a little wider because they have wheels and a little longer because the cannon barrel is longer.

i'd just say, build 'em however brings you joy, and run them as whatever doesn't make you disappointed in your pretty models and paintjob. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10915525.page GMT can i get a bit of help with Grot tanks?
I will put together the trukk i have first and from there, see how many spare parts i have. Probably not a lot though. Then i will attempt to make Grot tank that can be used as a Mek Gun.

Thanks for your help guys]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10916246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/791627/10916246.page GMT