<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "R.I.P. Ian Watson"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net R.I.P. Ian Watson
Well, I read only his four 40k novels and two short stories, but being the author of the first novel in the grim and dark weirdness of the far future he set a landmark. And while those novels were... special... I mostly liked them. And things like the fractured Emperor, the masochistic secrets of the Imperial Fists and the last chapter of Space Marine I'll always remember. Thanks for that.

My condolence to his friends and family.
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What's amusing is his take on marines - twisted monastic types, is arguably far more realistic than the sanitised blank ones we have today. And its in some ways telling how much more modern fanboys are disgusted by it all and unwilling to consider why their heroes would be like that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816121.page GMT Re:R.I.P. Ian Watson 40K novels but his many short story collections and odd little novels have meant so much to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816124.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson 40k novels his others are great too and worth a read.

Retrospectively, I think what Ian's novels did best was bring John Blanche's original vision of 40k to life in the best way possible. Yes things have changed but that's because Warhammer has existed for a long time. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816127.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson 40k universe and certainly was the progenitor of many aspects of the setting.

Perhaps one of my favourite elements of his writing was the strong characters. I will always remember Meh' Lindi as that mysterious femme fatale. Jaq Draco, who asked too many questions and whom undoubtedly was the template for Eisenhorn and so much of the Inquisitor lore. The doughty Grimm the Squat who lived through most of it, but for a while could not hide from GW's own Inquistion. Finally Lexandro D'Arquebus, a hero and a 'thinker' (but who didn't 'thunk' too much').
I will be forever grateful for Ian's work and being taken along on his journey.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816136.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson
Obviously some of the setting was in flux, but I really liked the Inquisitor trilogy growing up. And it was always nice to see a book in a setting where there's a god of pleasure in which people even have sex sometimes!

RIP and best wishes to his family. He did a lot to establish the feel for what 40k is and should be appreciated for that (and his body of work outside of wargaming).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816159.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson Inquisitor and Space Marine novels shaped 40k background and, for me at least, 'modern' 40 novels pale in comparison. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816165.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson
Indeed.

Good travels, Ian. My hat goes off to ya]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816223.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson 40K universe is much, much cooler for having him create parts of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816300.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson GW would only re-print them if he made some changes to the novels. The one we were talking about was Space Marine.

He'd refused.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816310.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson
 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I spoke with him about 20yrs ago, really nice chap. We had an indepth conversation on why his novels were not being re-printed by Black Library when so many others were from the late 90'3 era. He told me GW would only re-print them if he made some changes to the novels. The one we were talking about was Space Marine.

He'd refused.


There was a period where they edited the Squat Grimm out of a story and replaced him with Tech Priest Grill but eventually I think all of his stories were reissued in their original form.

So if you're a fan and wondering what we're talking about:

https://www.amazon.com/Deathwing-Warhammer-000-Graham-McNeill-ebook/dp/B01N6H5HUX/

https://www.amazon.com/Space-Marine-Warhammer-40-000-ebook/dp/B01MTC21ZD/

https://www.amazon.com/Draco-Warhammer-000-Ian-Watson-ebook/dp/B01N6TYSQM/

https://www.amazon.com/Harlequin-Warhammer-40-000-Book-ebook/dp/B0B4PKGN1C/

https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Child-Inquisition-War-Book-ebook/dp/B06XPX57P5/

Deathwing is probably the best place to start, short stories written in the Rogue Trader era by various authors. Space Marine is the most disturbing of the 4 novels (home of the oft-quoted lines about ejaculating bolters and firing boarding torpedoes up Tyranid sphincters) while the 3 Inquisition Wars books are more plot focused. Still he made a point that the books should be disturbing and the world of 40k should be as alien to us as Middle Ages. So be prepared.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816316.page GMT Re:R.I.P. Ian Watson IMO Space Marine is required reading for any serious fan of the 40k universe. A lot of the more 'tasty' bits are often quoted on their own but make sense when you are reading in the context of the book. Watson himself is also quoted as saying the book was written for 20yr-old Goths/metalheads which were GW's target audience at that time, not younger teenagers who giggle about the buttock branding and flying up sphincters (although years later I still do) or enraged prudes who think 40k should be all killing and maming and got upset about the (not even soft porn really) sex scene.

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It is a very clear reference to Greek and Roman culture but not to everyone's taste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816326.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson
As others have said, the target audience where 21 year old metalheads or metalhead adjacents. Its reputation suffers mostly from its niche or shelf not being really well understood today. Its also 20% cartoonish; and I remember reading Phools Company and Myth Inc and some Pratchet the same year I was consuming Watson. Fine companion pieces in some ways.

Any slander of Watson, is in my eyes a result of people who have a more infantile view of the 40k universe; ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816330.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In Space Marine I think it's the same-sex attraction and affection among the characters which would upset some readers.

It is a very clear reference to Greek and Roman culture but not to everyone's taste.


It showed how the views of Space Marines are alien to normal humans, something that has not been shown much lately with SM increasingly being portrayed as action heroes.

The characters in the Space Marine novel spend decades in the company of only males, going on and on about their honor and war, to the point where the main character cannot even recall the names or faces of his sisters, and the whole idea of femininity seems alien to him.

It also showed the moral compass of the Space Marines. Namely that whatever was morally right was whatever the Emperor wanted. The characters as part of their training are sent on a live fire exercise where they are ordered to massacre everyone man, woman, child in a fake village. The character wonders briefly whether the targets are mind wiped criminals or servitors, real heretics, or innocents, before shrugging off the entire issue as irrelevant since the Emperor via the chain of command from the Chapter Master has ordered them killed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816342.page GMT R.I.P. Ian Watson http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818745/11816343.page GMT