<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively.
Breaking with my traditional approach of asking a question, and instead making a statement. And it’s based on the relatively humble Ork Choppa.

By all accounts, background and models? These are lumpen and, at least for us, ill-balanced weapons. Brutal by simplistic intent.

Now. I am not arguing that a human couldn’t lift one, or even swing one with malice aforethought. That would be a ridiculous and silly claim. But being able to do that, and do so effectively are quite different propositions.

My main observation here is the Ork physiology. Putting aside the muscles described in the models? Your Ork has longer arms than a human, and a squat posture. Which unless I’m mistaken gives it a very different centre of gravity, and potentially a quite different reach.

To wield a melee weapon you kinda need to treat it as an extension of your arm. Being a wuss I don’t exactly know what that means, but I do kinda get it. Essentially your swing doesn’t end at your hand, but the business part of said weapon. And in terms of a weapon and a fighter’s balance? It’s a matter of relevant weight, leverage and other physics things I’m ill equipped to properly describe.

But. Given the Orky instinctual knowledge and again their physiology? Whilst I don’t doubt a regular human could learn how to wield a Choppa? It’s going to be an uphill struggle due to their sheer weight (mass? Seriously, I’m not sure) and the balance point being different for Orks than Humans? If a standard Guardsman or Ganger was to try to wield one, they’d struggle to do so in any meaningful way.

Diggas? As an example of a Human society that kinda ish more of less mostly lives with Orks in some kind of harmony? I’m not going to count them as standard. Because as soon as they’re grown enough to start combat training? It’s probably Orky or Orky-Approximate weapons they’re practicing on. And as per my caveat above? I don’t doubt a human can learn to effectively wield a Choppa. Just that it’s gonna take quite specific training compared to your own arsenal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11822991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11822991.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively.
I think you are right that a human using a choppa most effectively may well use it in a different way to Orks, but I’m sure some kind of “effective” combat form could be developed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11822999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11822999.page GMT Re:A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823002.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823005.page GMT Re:A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823014.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823018.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively.
Good points above that I hadn’t considered, ref using them in different ways.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823028.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively.
I mean it's a motorized death-chainsaw with almost no safety features. It's arguably going to be harder to wield effectively untrained than a big crude topheavy axe]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823033.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823034.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823041.page GMT A standard Human couldn’t wield a Choppa effectively.
Jump to around 42:13 cause for some reason the time jump isn't working on auto play



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 Crimson wrote:
So basically your point is that it takes training to use choppa effectively. Which no doubt is true, but also the case with most weapons, so I don't understand why it was worth starting a thread about.

Yeah...

Even the three most basic and intuitive human weapons- club, rock, and pointy stick- have enormous skill ceilings where even a modicum of training makes big differences to how effective someone is at fighting with them.

A chopper is fundamentally a sharp club in most forms, although having a blade does open up extra options (push and draw cuts), and some can hook.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818985/11823055.page GMT