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				<title>1500 points IG Much Help needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <P>Please move to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> Army lists (My computor will only let me post on that forum in reply)</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>This is the rough draft of my Guard army, I want to change it up loads, but I have to start somewhere:&nbsp; &lt;?  </P>  <P>Doctrines</P>  <P><SPAN >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Grenadears, Rough Riders, Close Order Drill</P>  <P> &nbsp; </P>  <P><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>   </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Command Squad&nbsp;40 pts  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(This squads job is to stay out of sight and bunch up using close order drill for Leadership 9.)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Junior officer w/ lasgun  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4 men w/ lasguns  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2x Anti tank squad 95 pts ea  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(for fire support vs light infantry in frag&nbsp;or heavy infantry&nbsp;or&nbsp;medium armor in krak)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x missile launchers  </P>  <P>&nbsp;  </P>  <P>Elites  </P>  <P>(No Elites so far)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;  </P>  <P>Troops   </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4x Storm Trooper Squad 108 pts ea  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(these guys are the main objective takers)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sergeant w/ hell pistol and sword  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8 troopers 1w plasma gun 1w grenade launcher  </P>  <P>&nbsp;  </P>  <P>Fast Attack  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2x Rough Rider Squad&nbsp;119 pts ea  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(counter attack + minor anti tank+5th-6th turn objective grabbing)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sergeant w/ power&nbsp;weapon + laspistol&nbsp;  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8 riders w lances   </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;frag grenades  </P>  <P>&nbsp;  </P>  <P>Heavy Support  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x Demolisher 200 pts ea  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Heavy anti tank, anti Big Guy)  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Multi Melta side sponsens, lascannon hull, difficult terrain equipment  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  </P>  <P>Total 1500  </P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>A few things I am thinking ? </P>  <P>Should I take out the missile launchers and add somthing better, they seem mediocre at best? </P>  <P>What is to be said for rough riders without lances, and instead swords and pistols, that way they can fight for more then one round?<SPAN >&nbsp; </SPAN></P>  <P>Should I put special weapons in my rough rider squads and if so melta guns or Flamers?</P>  <P>How should I upgrade my command squad?<SPAN >&nbsp; </SPAN>Should I do a buffed up assault squad to finish what the rough riders start?</P>  <P>(also a rules question, (ill post in you make the call if there?s any disagreement): does lance + pistol or lance + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>ccw</span> <SPAN >&nbsp;</SPAN>=<SPAN >&nbsp; </SPAN>+1 close combat attack bonus?)  </P>  <P> &nbsp; </P>  <P>There is a lot of room for improvement, all suggestions appreciated. &nbsp;</P>  <P> &nbsp; </P>  <P><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> NooB  </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  </P>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:47:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ IG Noob]]></author>
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				<title>RE: 1500 points IG Much Help needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <P>I read through alot of the old army lists and had a complete change in direction (none of the models are purchased yet) Problem is it's to large of a force for 1500 so I need to trim it down, but I cant for the life of me decide what has to go, and what can stay.&nbsp; Heres the list without anything being cut.</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Comand squad 61 pts</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;junior officer w/ lasgun</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4 men 1 standard bearer 1 w/ heavy bolter</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- Anti tank squad 110 pts</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x lascannon</P>  <P>Troops</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Infantry squad 240 pts</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- Comand squad (60 pts)</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Junior Officer </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4 men 1w/ Heavy Bolter 1w/ plasma gun</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- 2x Squad w/ plasma gun and w/ heavy bolter (80 pts ea)</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Infantry Squad 240 pts </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- Comand squad (60 pts)</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Junior Officer </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4 men 1w/ Heavy Bolter 1w/ plasma gun</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- 2x Squad w/ plasma gun and w/ heavy bolter (80 pts ea)</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Elites </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x Vet Squad 136 + 93 pts ea</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sarge w/ power fist and bolt pistol</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9 men, 3 w/ melta guns 6 w/ shotguns</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Chimera Transport&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;heavy flamer turret, and heavy flamer hull&nbsp;rough terain mod + smoke</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Fast Attack</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x Rough Rider squad 66 pts ea</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6 riders with lances</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Heavy Support </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3x Bassalisk 125 pts ea</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Indirect fire upgrade</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>Total : 1911 pts </P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;To save points I coud : <BR></P>  <P>change infantry platoons, to storm trooper squads</P>  <P>Go down to 2 bassies&nbsp;and/or 2 vet squads and/or 2 rough rider squads</P>  <P>Drop anti tank squad (I just put it in to see if any one would argue for it)</P>  <P>Lighten the special weapon / heavy weapon load</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>What should I do?</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> NooB</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>  <P>&nbsp;</P>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:42:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ IG Noob]]></author>
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				<title>RE: 1500 points IG Much Help needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Much help needed?  I'll say.  We don't even know what a lasgun is over in this end of the forum.  Try the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> army lists...<br><br><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(314);'>RZ</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 3 Jul 2006 04:28:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Red_Zeke]]></author>
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