Ringarin wrote:Why not a unit of fenrisian wolves instead of the landspeeder? Would keep with the list theme.

Ringarin wrote:Why not a unit of fenrisian wolves instead of the landspeeder? Would keep with the list theme.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:To be honest...Power Weapons aren't what they used to be anymore for the Boys in Grey...I think the addition of the Iron Priest fits better in the overall theme of the Calvary force; however, I really feel like the Predators are more of a hindrance than a help.

So ways to keep you ugly without softening things up too much:

1) To be honest, the survivability of your Grey Hunters should really depend on how aggressive you want to play them. With the viciousness of the Wolf Lord, Thunderwolves and the Iron Priest I wouldn't really bank on the Grey Hunters getting in Close Combat with anything. At this point level, to maximize the Calvary, I would keep the Grey Hunter units small while giving them the ability to bring the pain. You need to maximize as much long range firepower as possible and right now you're just not going it. The Predators can help out yes; however, Horde Control will be a null issue as long as you set up your assaults correctly and maximize your killing ability.

All you need to take away from this is to keep the whole force fast and killy, nothing static.

6 Grey Hunters: Melta, MotW, Razorback -150
Quick, puts out a lot of fire and can achieve late game scoring.

2) Like I said before, try and keep those Thunderwolf packs small and efficient. At this point level, everything is about efficiency. Sure it isn't as impressive to roll out with 3 squads of 3 as compare to 3 squads of 5 but you simply cannot afford it. Everyone in their mother will be shooting at them and will throw everything they have into trying to slow them down. I saw 2 5 man Thunderwolf Groups slam into a 40 Man IG Infantry Blob with a Commissar, Priest and Mad Power Fists...it didn't go well for the dogs needless to say...you never want to be in this situation.

3) Drop the Predators. Nothing needs to be static in this list, if it can't move and shoot effectively, it will get left behind. If it is left behind, it will be cut off and die.

Anpu42 wrote:You might just want to trade out your wolf lord for canis and save some points.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Yes Canis adds quite a few bonuses to your Fenrisian Wolves, yes Canis can wipe the floor with even the best Assault troops in the game; however, he would die too easily from torrents of fire in my experience. Even with a wall of 20 Wolves, your opponent could ignore them completely and let the big guns fly on Canis and Friends. There are enough AP2 and AP3 weapons that deny cover that neutralize some of your most powerful units unbelievably fast.

Last week, I tested an Imperial Guard Artillery Regiment against my Thunderwolf Force. Wanna know what happened to those 18 Wolves in the first turn? A single Manticore Wiped the first unit out. Then 2 Colossus Took Canis down to 1 wound and of the 3 Thunderwolves attached to him, only 1 remained with a Storm Shield. Then came the Medusas...by the end of the Artillery, 9 Fenrisian Wolves were Vaporized, 5 Thunderwolves were Vaporized as well and there were about 8 Autocannons that hadn't even sounded off yet...

Just remember: Statistics my make you sleep at night but when the dice aren't with you, nothing can really help you out other than raw strength.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Well to be honest Anpu I have played him about 4 times with the results being much the same each time. Its the same situation you run into against any high firepower force when you have an assault force. Granted, more often than not we just play annihilation and in an Objective game I could wipe the floor with him, its just that sometimes you fine something that gives you a hard time. The ridiculous amount of low AP weapons and high strength really make it difficult.

Mafty wrote:Dreadnaught: 2 x TL autocannon -125

Mafty wrote:@razerous, ugh, read the most recent list I posted lol, two posts above yours

Mafty wrote:What do you think I should do with the last 80 points....Im thinking making las/plas razorbacks, it will give me a nice 6 lascannons, and let the cav handle the rest

Edit: here we go.....

Wolf Lord 195 Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Claw, Storm Shield
Elites
Iron Priest 165 Thunderwolf Mount, Wolftooth Necklace, 4 x Cyberwolves
Troops
Grey Hunters 5 75 Flamer
Grey Hunters 5 75 Flamer
Grey Hunters 5 75 Flamer
Fast Attack
Thunderwolf Cavalry 4 225 Powerfist
Thunderwolf Cavalry 4 225 Powerfist
Heavy Support
Predator 120 Autocannon, Lascannon Sponson
Predator 120 Autocannon, Lascannon Sponson
Razorback 75 Lascannon, TL Plasma
Razorback 75 Lascannon, TL Plasma
Razorback 75 Lascannon, TL Plasma
1500