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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "warriors of Chaos playbook"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net warriors of Chaos playbook WoC players out there. I'm just starting my horde up and am still getting a feel for the new army (not to mention returning to fantasy after being absent through all of 7th edition) and so I would love for some detailed strategies for fighting with WiFI. The more detailed the better.

Also, if some of you have some suggestions for siege tactics, I would welcome that, too, as I'm about to start a BITB campaign with a friend.

I'm looking for any tactical bits of advice you'd like to give. I'm still building my army, so counsel on what models and builds I should make would be appreciated. I'd kind of like to incorporate all four ruinous powers in the mix, but have thus far clung mostly to Tzeentch.

I like discovering new aspects of this army and long forum discussions make for good reading. Anecdotes are not only welcome, but encouraged. Post away, fellow north men!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4235612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4235612.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook WoC fanatic pops in here with his suggestions and a link to his WoC Tactica.

It isn't perfect because it adopts a lot of "this is the best" mentality but its a good place to start for sure.

The first thing I would advise is to play to your local scene. The WoC book isn't the best one out there, but it's strong in that it has options for handling just about everything your going to fight.

I don't know how many points you play, but I'll post you to a link of mine that was my Ard Boyz list from last year. It won prelims and took 2nd in round 2. I was deployed for round 3.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362157.page]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4235788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4235788.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook
I also like taking an exalted hero on a steed of slaanesh (the only fast cavalry character I'm aware of). At move 20 plus vanguard, he will get to the gunline turn 2, guaranteed (if he lives, that is) and is pretty solid in combat once he gets there .I build him with dragoncurse gem, armor of morrslieb, and a shield (the reasoning is that most war machines are not magical, and the ones that are are often flaming).

That's my 2 cents, the rest of it is pretty standard... halberd warriors (nurgle with banner of rage if you have points, khorne if you don't), a cannon or two, and there's your list.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4236848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4236848.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook GW? And Mark of Slaanesh?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4251281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4251281.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook MOS is worthless on fear causers IMO. Also considering MOK makes them immune to panic and gives them more GW attacks I think you have your answer ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4252014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4252014.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook AS far as putting it on Ogres is concerned, there's better options.

Nurgle is especially good against WS4 elites and Undead with WS2. (Most all skellies)

Khorne will do some damage but it shines exponentially as you add more ogres and a wider front.

Tzeentch is there for the defensively minded, allowing you that 17% chance after armor saves to save a wound.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254240.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254318.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254318.page GMT Re:warriors of Chaos playbook ws 5 str 5 i 5 that comes with a 4 up armor save its around 330 points.. cheaper unit go with marauder horde of at least 40 with LA GW and MOK. thats 40 attacks at WS 4 STR 5 but init 1. still better then most armies core troops and only cost 6 points a model.

try some anvil units of tzeentch warrios with shields. tough as nails to kill. if you must use all 4 gods throw some slaneesh marauder horsemen out there. thats about all slaneesh is good for. if you absolutly want a nurgle unit throw it on chosen i guess. nurgle is the worst mark as it cost to much for what it actually does. if there wasnt a massive amount of dice being rolled in most combats nurgle mark would be worth more. but as now you can throw 40 dice for a horde unit the minus one ws in close combat isnt worth much. if you put it on a chosen of nurgle they still need to be fighting a ws3 opponent to have them hit on 5s against nurgle.

chaos knights are still wreck but i woudlnt run them in any less then 10 models and with anything other then mark of tzeentch or khorne. also with steadfast you cant just charge them in anymore at anythng and expect to break them in the first round of combat like the old days. use them as counter chargers.
chaos chariots are great as redirecters or counter chargers.

giants cost about 50 points to much. i would pay 225 for them if they had chaos armor but when unit of anything that can shoot 24 inches kills it first turn they are not worth it. hell cannons and warshrines are great and i would invest in those. spawns are more of fluff redirecting, point fillers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254376.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook

Johnny-Crass wrote:MON is never a good choice no matter the unit.

Everything has a place to shine.

Edited for length and conflict avoidance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254383.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook

Thunderfrog wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:MON is never a good choice no matter the unit.

Everything has a place to shine.

Edited for length and conflict avoidance.

And where pray tell would a over costed mark that only barely helps you defensively have a place to shine?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254416.page GMT Re:warriors of Chaos playbook
If you take a block of 9 ogres slated up in ranks of three, how much good is that mark of khorne really doing you?

Sure you gain 3 extra attacks.

MoN on the other hand is effective against every enemy attack and useful against WS's of 2 and 4 right out of the gate. With the exception of Empire, Ogres, WoC and Demons (Who also frequently use Demigryphs, Greatswords, Maneaters, and Marauders. Demons are a true oddity with WS 3 and 5 being on every unit except for Fiends.), every army book either has all of its core or a large part of it's core and special at WS 4 and 2.

How useful? Lets do some math, because usually its hard to argue with.

Chaos Ogre vs Empire Greatswords. (This also assumes everyone passes fear.)

10 greatswords with WS 4 = 6.6 hits and 4.3 wounds before saves are taken on a 6+.

10 greatswords with WS 3 = 5 hits and 3.3 wounds before saves are taken.

Okay. Thats fine and useful. You have saved yourself a wound and one combat rez. Now lets scale to the more common horde of greatswords.

3 ogres in a max facing will see about 8 greatswords, or 24 attacks.

24 greatswords with WS 4 = 15.84 hits and 10.48 wounds before applying 6+ saves.

24 greatswords with WS 3 = 12 hits and 7.92 wounds before saves.

Youve saved yourself almost a full ogre and 3 combat rez. If you had frenzy instead not only would you 1) Not have an option to flee, 2) probably lose it if you were flanked and managed to not break but you could have at max in the same formation only gained 3 combat rezz period, and thats against the unlikely odds that you hit and wounded every attack. In fact, the odds are that Ogre with GW's will out of those 3 attacks land 1.5 of them.

None of this even bothers accounting for fear.

From rule book p4
"Characteristics of zero. Some creatures has been given a value of '0' for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that skill. This usually applies to creatures unability to use missle weapons, so they have BS0 or BS-, but it might equally well apply to other characteristics too'

BS is given as example but is clear that it applies to all, especially considering it's the same paragraph that mentions hitting opponents with WS 0. (Which I know doesnt apply to MoN because they are only reduced when striking you.)
WS0 means no ability whatsoever. Characteristics go from 0 to 10 so allowed to have 0 WS. The 'to hit' chart does not include entries for 0 WS so cannot roll on it.

Seems clear to me that WS 0 means you cannot try to hit with their weapon in close combat as they have no ability whatsoever with weapons and are not included on the 'to hit chart'. At best, "You always succeed on 6's" applies.

MoK on an Ogre will only let you attack as much as your increased frontage allows. On the rare case of a WS 3 Ogre, MoN is very viable versus a large variety of opponents and units. If you are unable to find a single enemy unit that your matchup helps against, that is on the general, unless they actually field none, which means bad luck for you. It's like taking a hell heart and finding out your enemy is mono khorne or taking a terror banner and drawing a game vs undead.

None of this includes the benefits vs BS shooting, the synergy with several book items, or the manipulation of enemy WS with Lore of Shadow.

TL DR: I'd rather have MoN affect a whole horde of enemies than have MoK affect 3 to 6 ogres.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254504.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254511.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook WS 2 or 4. (Demons and WoC excluded)

And even on 6's, (which is up for debate until GW faq's it) that above example of greatswords improves a lot. That drops it to around 5 hits and 3 wounds. And with WoC having Lore of Death, Doom Totem, and Diabolic Splendour, getting someone to fail a fear check isnt all that hard.

Taking 9 Chaos Ogres with GW and Chaos Armor is within 50 points of taking a gutstar that ogres use now. You trade a mark and a 4+ armor for ogre charge. Worth it to me.

You asked how it could be better. I showed you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254605.page GMT Re:warriors of Chaos playbook

Thunderfrog wrote:Ogres.

see thats the problem there. how often do you see a WoC army that isnt using throgg as its general take chaos ogres? i have seen it once since 8th edtion started and after maybe a dozen local tournies and 4 gts around the US i attended. i do agree that MON is best used on ogres and chosen at the very most. but thats it. in 7th the mark of nurgle worked well. but you didnt have to worry about steadfast, hoard formations and supporting attacks.

the mainstays of any WoC army is marauders and warriors. ofcourse you plan for the metagame in your area but in a competitive list 18 warriors with the MOK and halbreds will be taken over the 6 chaos ogres with chaos armor and XHW(points are = between both units this way) anyday.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254617.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook MoN chaos warriors with the frenzy banner when playing my ogres. The majority of ogres are WS 3 so they are now hitting on 5's... Let me tell you that makes for some sad ogres...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4254709.page GMT Re:warriors of Chaos playbook
Each unit on your board is like a chess piece that you create yourself. It has its uses in your own scheme and in your own list and strategy.

Some will say something is always bad. Then one day they will play someone with that something bad and lose and then scratch their head because Dakka said otherwise.

And finally.. @ Moondragon.. two things.

1) I was asked how to make MoN work or where it could work. It's pretty much the best mark for ogres.

2) Some more math. For you this time. And this is assuming Ogres have the misfortune of not being able to dodge the khorne block and aim for marauders, which a good general should do.

For 350 points you get 18 (6x3) halberds of khorne with a full command.

For 350ish points you get 6(3x2) ogres of nurgle with a unit champ.

Challenge first, because thats what chaos does.

Champion of Khorne attacks first. He gets 4 attacks, 2.64 hits, 1.75 wounds before 6+ saves are taken. So on average, 1 or 2 wounds but he wont kill the ogre champ.

Champion of Nurgle attacks back. He gets 4 attacks, 2 hits, and 1.66 wounds with no saves allowed. So on average, 1 or 2 wounds but the champion will fall most likely.

Warriors rank and file attack next. They get 16 attacks ( two front rank models are stuck unable to swing on the champ who was in a challenge and 2 supporting warrior cannot attack either.), 10.56 hits, and 5.8 wounds after 6+ armor saves are taken. 1 to 2 ogres will die.

Ogres attack next. They get 12 attacks, 6 hits, and 5 wounds with no saves allowed. Followed by 2 stomps, with a 50/50 to kill a model.

Warriors end up doing about 5.8 to 7.8 wounds. Ogres end up doing about 5 to 7 wounds. There's not a whole lot of difference here for your points. Now I'm aware that this is a inside the box analysis, but I just ran about the worst possible encounter for MoN ogres and they still did about as well as the warriors did.

Point is that something "obviously a better choice" isn't always a better choice. There's a lot more involved in rating a unit than how it compares to its own worth in points to something else. A lot of people read a thing on Dakka so that thing must be a fact. It isn't always so.
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Thunderfrog wrote:Point is that something "obviously a better choice" isn't always a better choice. There's a lot more involved in rating a unit than how it compares to its own worth in points to something else. A lot of people read a thing on Dakka so that thing must be a fact. It isn't always so.

Well said. This isnt just a problem with Dakka though, any forum generates the same mindset...but it is just as prevalent here as elsewhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4259141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4259141.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook
Who here has used the Tamurkhan Nurgle stuff? I want to run a unit of Rot Riders Monstrous cavalry but I'm not sure how they'd do, maybe a unit of bile toads and plague trolls as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4260007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4260007.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook WoC when there's a new book rumored right around the corner anyways.

Some of the bits people have highlighted seem pretty awesome though.
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Thunderfrog wrote:I havent seen any of the Tamurkhan stuff and to be honest I'm skittish to buy a non-source book for a change of pace with WoC when there's a new book rumored right around the corner anyways.

Some of the bits people have highlighted seem pretty awesome though.

There's going to be four non-source books, one for each god. Which is aaawesome, so you'd still get to use them regardless.

Not to mention the neat empire stuff, as well as the chaos dwarf list. Not to mention the book is one good read.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4261093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4261093.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook MoT compares to MoN in keeping your models alive. The MoT is not only more versatile, but costs less. Is a MoN really that much better at keeping your units alive in? Even in a best case scenario?

Instead of comparing MoN to MoK, we should be comparing it to MoT. Would really appreciate some mathshammer on this. Would also be interested in whether they are more useful to different unit types.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4262950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4262950.page GMT Re:warriors of Chaos playbook
Quick Data Points

Using ogres without armor to easier show the effects of MoT.

Showing vs different difficulty of wounding ogres.

10 WS 4 STR 6 attacks vs MoN.

5 hits, 4.15 wounds no save.

20 WS 4 STR 6 attacks vs MoN.

10 hits, 8.3 wounds no save.

10 WS 4 STR 6 attacks vs MoT.

6.6 hits 5.47 wounds, 4.54 wounds after saves.

20 WS 4 STR 6 attacks vs MoT.

13.2 hits, 10.94 wounds, 9.08 wounds after saves.

10 WS 4 STR 5 attacks vs MoN.

5 hits, 3.3 wounds no save.

20 WS 4 STR 5 attacks vs MoN

10 hits, 6.6 wounds no save.

10 WS 4 STR 5 attacks vs MoT.

6.6 hits, 4.35 wounds, 3.62 wounds after saves.

20 WS 4 STR 5 attacks vs MoT.

13.2 hits, 8.71 wounds, 7.23 wounds after saves.

10 WS 4 STR 4 attacks vs MoN.

5 hits, 2.5 wounds

20 WS 4 STR 4 attacks vs MoN.

10 hits, 5 wounds

10 WS 4 STR 4 attacks vs MoT

6.6 hits, 3.3 wounds 2.74 wounds after saves.

20 WS 4 STR 4 attacks vs MoT

13.2 hits, 6.6 wounds, 5.48 wounds after saves.

10 WS 4 STR 3 attacks vs MoN.

5 hits, 1.65 wounds.

20 WS 4 STR 3 attacks vs MoN.

10 hits, 3.3 wounds

10 WS 4 STR 3 attacks vs MoT.

6.6 hits, 2.17 wounds, 1.81 wounds after saves.

20 WS 4 STR 3 attacks vs MoT.

13.2 hits, 4.34 wounds, 3.62 wounds after saves.

Brief summation.

MoN offers marginally better protection, and this advantage scales at higher strength values.

At str 6 MoN ogres defend 59% of attacks.
At str 6 MoT ogred defend 55% of attacks.

At str 5 MoN ogres defend 67% of attacks.
At str 5 MoT ogres defend 64% of attacks.

At str 4 MoN ogres defend 75% of attacks.
At str 4 MoT ogres defend 73% of attacks.

At str 3 MoN ogres defend 84% of attacks.
At str 3 Mon ogres defend 82% of attacks.

So the difference is there, but minor in nurgles favor. Theres also other factors like hatred, vs which nurgle is superior with a greater spread. Impact hits, which nurgle does not affect. WS 5 and 3 is no difference for nurgle ogres, but I wouldnt run them without a shadow sorcerer to affect WS's anyways.

In shooting this advantage has a lot of detractors. Is the weapon poisoned? If so, MoN has an edge in removing autowounds in some cases as well as reducing chance to hit. Tzeentch gives a buff vs non BS shooting as well however.

Hope this analysis helps others out a little. Made me rethink my blanket statement of Nurgle being the best choice for ogres. Retaught me my own lesson, in that nothing is absolute. Everything changes when circumstances are applied. That said, given the amount of Dark Elves and undead and marauder hordes I play, nurgle is still MY preferred choice.
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First, because you can, equip your champion in the chosen block with a Mask of EEEE! for 25 points. Then equip a chaos lord or exalted here with favor of the gods and join him to the squad of chosen.

Before the game, chosen get a free roll that cannot be a 2 or 7.

So start rolling on the chart. On a 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 or 11, you get to reroll your result. Why? Because the rule for the eye and chosen specifically says you can.

So your going to keep using your Favour of the Gods item to allow you to bump your result up or down one over and over while your fishing for that 11 or 12 so you can get the 4+ ward and stubborn. Keep in mind that thanks to the mask of EEEE! you cause terror and fear already.

( So this first turn you have a 22% chance of rolling 11 or 12 outright. Then you have a 66% chance of being able to reroll. Odds are in your favor to an extent. Even if you dont get Divine Greatness, your coming away with something good.)

Since your tzeentch with shields, you've now got a 3+ 3++ unit with WS 6 that is always stubborn.

It's only natural predator is Skavens dreaded 13th. Other templates arent that scary because you need to roll a 5 or 6 most likel to fail an ability check. But it's probably best to rush them into combat anyways.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4267607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4267607.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook

Thunderfrog wrote:Chosen of Tzeentch are a pretty big cornerstone for a lot of warrior lists. And there's ways to make their .. well.. random ways no quite so random.

First, because you can, equip your champion in the chosen block with a Mask of EEEE! for 25 points. Then equip a chaos lord or exalted here with favor of the gods and join him to the squad of chosen.

Before the game, chosen get a free roll that cannot be a 2 or 7.

So start rolling on the chart. On a 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 or 11, you get to reroll your result. Why? Because the rule for the eye and chosen specifically says you can.

So your going to keep using your Favour of the Gods item to allow you to bump your result up or down one over and over while your fishing for that 11 or 12 so you can get the 4+ ward and stubborn. Keep in mind that thanks to the mask of EEEE! you cause terror and fear already.

( So this first turn you have a 22% chance of rolling 11 or 12 outright. Then you have a 66% chance of being able to reroll. Odds are in your favor to an extent. Even if you dont get Divine Greatness, your coming away with something good.)

Since your tzeentch with shields, you've now got a 3+ 3++ unit with WS 6 that is always stubborn.

It's only natural predator is Skavens dreaded 13th. Other templates arent that scary because you need to roll a 5 or 6 most likel to fail an ability check. But it's probably best to rush them into combat anyways.

Can't quite do this-the Lord doesn't get this roll at the start of the game, only the Chosen unit does, so his FotG doesn't affect them. Instead, you have to use the terror banner for the unit. Still works, but it's costlier. This would work for things like the Shrines, however as they would affect the entire unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4268618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4268618.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4270880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4270880.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook 3d6 s5 no armor hits in one combat round, which will make mournfang cry, or anything at all that you're fighting in a challenge. All this in a model considerably cheaper than a tooled-up ogre. I've had good success with them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4271259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4271259.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4271273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4271273.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4272313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4272313.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook

Malleus wrote:Instead of Ogres, look at trolls. You lose 1 point of strength, gain the very valuable vomit attack, and swap a not-too-great 4+ armor save for a much better 4+ regen (which has the mutant regen rule, but that's not great). If you can take throgg, do it, he's one of the most overpowered things in the game... can dish out 3d6 s5 no armor hits in one combat round, which will make mournfang cry, or anything at all that you're fighting in a challenge. All this in a model considerably cheaper than a tooled-up ogre. I've had good success with them.

Which is why I choose not to use Throgg. A throgg list is too easy and too effective out the gate, and I hadnt covered it because it isnt my first choice.

It's not hard. Throgg+wizard+ 14 or so trolls + anything else is a strong army.

In fact, trolls are probably the best delivery for Archeon in our whole list. They at least get a save against his wayward sword strikes, and possibly a chaos gift to boot!

Throgg is very underpriced, but not overpowered. I wouldnt complain if he went up to 300 points in the next book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4274451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4274451.page GMT warriors of Chaos playbook WoC book coming out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4283063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/447340/4283063.page GMT