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				<description><![CDATA[ This is a shooty army I put together for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>,<br /> <br /> Chaos Sorccerer + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LoS</span> + Terminator Armor + Melta Bomb<br /> Total = 145<br /> <br /> 6 Noise Marines + 6 Sonic Blaster<br /> Total = 150<br /> <br /> 6 Noise Marines + 6 Sonic Blaster<br /> Total = 150<br /> <br /> 6 Noise Marines  + 6 Sonic Blaster<br /> Total = 150<br /> <br /> 2 Obliterators<br /> Total = 150<br /> <br /> 2 Obliterators<br /> Total = 150<br /> <br /> Predator + Autocannon + Heavy Bolter<br /> Total = 100<br /> <br /> Total = 995<br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal;">I was wondering a few things, first do I gave enough anti-tank. I was having problems with my previous lists towards killing grey knights dreadnoughts with my obliterators. Next, I was wondering if I picked a good enough <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> I was just trying to get the cheapest <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> available but, it seems like a waste of 90 points as he will do largely nothing except absorb wounds. I am also wondering what other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> options are good for shooting.</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 04:51:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you're doing a shooty list, then the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(204);'>CL</span> does absolutely nothing for you.<br /> <br /> Perhaps waiting a a few weeks for the new dex? <br /> <br /> However, a Chaos Sorcerer with the Lash would probably be a lot more helpful.<br /> <br /> Perhaps switch the defiler for an autocanon toting predator?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Dr. What]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the suggestion, I will make that change.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:CSM Shooty Army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, the Chaos Lord really does nothing. You'd be better off with a Daemon Prince with Wings, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, and Lash. At least it can pop vehicles, Vector Strike, and raise hell in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.<br /> <br /> Noise Marines with Blasters are certainly good "sit back and shoot" units with their 24" Assault2/Heavy3 option, but I don't know about 3 Squads of them. I think I would run at least 1 Squad with Plasmas, be that a Squad of 10 vanilla <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> (to get 2 Plasmas), or a Squad of 5-7 Plague Marines with 2 Plasmas.<br /> <br /> Oblits provide plenty of Anti-Tank, and the Battle Cannon (Ordnance roll 2 dice, take the highest) on the Defiler does a decent job as well. I would leave the Autocannon on instead of another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span>. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Lascannon upgrade is also nice, but I don't see where you would find the 20 points.<br /> <br /> As always, just my 2¢]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 05:23:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mizzri]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The reason I did not put a Daemon Prince is because it always does nothings it gets shot to pieces before it enters <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, and when it does it get killed by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span>. Thanks for the advice on the Chaos Lord, I will change it out for a Sorcerer as I can hide it within Noise Marines.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 05:32:38]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:CSM Shooty Army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Daemon Princes are far harder to kill in 6th edition: Monstrous Creatures can now gain cover from Area Terrain (no more need for 50% obscurement). If you put wings on a Daemon Prince and put him in Swooping mode, he can fly 12" - 24" across the table and can only be hit with 6's or weapons with the Skyfire <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(136);'>USR</span>. He can also run <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(1);'>2d6</span>" in the shooting phase, or he could use Lash of Submission in the shooting phase, even while in Swooping Mode. You can change from Swooping to Gliding at the start of any movement phase. If he flew far enough or lashed close enough in the first turn, he should easily be able to get into Close Combat 2nd turn where he would be safe and can wreak some havoc.<br /> <br /> The choice to use it or not is yours. I just want you to make the choice with all the available facts.<br /> <br /> Cheers.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 06:45:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mizzri]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>Dp</span> can't enter swooping mode <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says wing upgrades make the model jump infantry :(]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:19:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Remadyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/8a924af2240bd867bbcd9cb88b06edef.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720489.page"><b>Remadyz wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>Dp</span> can't enter swooping mode <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says wing upgrades make the model jump infantry :(</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> this is only for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> i think, in the daemon codex they are flying]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:46:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ VegRAWR]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2cddc3ec6ab50f80e45335bad51f6504.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720525.page"><b>VegRAWR wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/8a924af2240bd867bbcd9cb88b06edef.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720489.page"><b>Remadyz wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>Dp</span> can't enter swooping mode <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says wing upgrades make the model jump infantry :(</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> this is only for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> i think, in the daemon codex they are flying</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Seeing as the thread says "<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> Shooty Army" i would have thought people would have guessed i meant in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> and isnt the chaos demon one something like demonic flight or demonic flying not wings?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:51:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Remadyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e4be5bafc70bc715da333c992f060a5f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720538.page"><b>Remadyz wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2cddc3ec6ab50f80e45335bad51f6504.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720525.page"><b>VegRAWR wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/8a924af2240bd867bbcd9cb88b06edef.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/473644/4720489.page"><b>Remadyz wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>Dp</span> can't enter swooping mode <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says wing upgrades make the model jump infantry :(</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> this is only for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> i think, in the daemon codex they are flying</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Seeing as the thread says "<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> Shooty Army" i would have thought people would have guessed i meant in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If a daemon prince is what he needs he can take it as an ally, with a cheap lord as warlord (don't think you can get a cheap lord tho)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:55:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ VegRAWR]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>If a daemon prince is what he needs he can take it as an ally, with a cheap lord as warlord (don't think you can get a cheap lord tho</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> True, but if he/she's playing at 1k points (might be more i dunno) its abit much to ally just to get a Flying <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>/Flying <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> (as you have to take a troops choice aswell it could get costly) an when it can get shot down straight away by a gun emplacement or by a flyer (barracuda/vendetta etc etc) <br /> <br /> Like Dr. What said, just wait a few weeks an see what the new codex brings.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Remadyz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for all your suggestions.]]></description>
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