Sir_Prometheus wrote:
Here’s the 40k FAQ page, btw. Btw, notice most of the edit dates were late July? And they released it just after NOVA? GW doesn’t care about your problems.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
You really think all that many players wait to play 6th ed until the mini-rulebook comes out? Myself, I never buy those starter sets. What am I going to do with 1/3 of 2 armies I don't play?

rigeld2 wrote:
You said you think they buffed Onslaught - how? The only thing they changed is to add wording forbidding an assault from a unit it's cast on.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Templars also can't take Drop Pods for Terminators anymore.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Templars also can't take Drop Pods for Terminators anymore.

Did any BT players actually do that, anyway?

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
You said you think they buffed Onslaught - how? The only thing they changed is to add wording forbidding an assault from a unit it's cast on.

Well, could victims of Onslaught charge before? (fairly familiar with Tyranids, but not a bug player) If they could, then the power taking that away is a pretty huge buff.

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 Captain Roderick wrote:
Whelp, one thing I spotted in the IG FAQ is something of a game-changer in my mind. Leman Russ now have vehicle type - Heavy.

Roll 12" and fire all weapons at full BS - who cares if you can't do a flat out move with that kind of firepower? 3 demolishers with plasma sponsons just became terrifying...

Yeah, I did miss that one, thought it was essentially the same as the "lumbering" rule. Though......I believe Heavy vehicles can only move 6", right?

rigeld2 wrote:

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
You said you think they buffed Onslaught - how? The only thing they changed is to add wording forbidding an assault from a unit it's cast on.

Well, could victims of Onslaught charge before? (fairly familiar with Tyranids, but not a bug player) If they could, then the power taking that away is a pretty huge buff.

Do you even know what Onslaught does? It lets a unit run and fire in the same phase. People were claiming that because of the wording it allowed Fleet units to charge also.
They were clarifying it doesn't.

It's not something you cast on your opponent's units. Page 62 C:T.

Apparently, you only get 1 attempt to “nullify” a power, so a Runepreist with a Runeweapon, wolf’s tail, and a bear’s scrotum doesn’t get 27 chances to dispel it.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
Ok......why not just Deep Strike them normally? BT still had the old style drop pods anyway, right?

Speakign from GK with psycannons, I've never found it that hard to get to 24" first turn anyway.

 daedalus wrote:

Apparently, you only get 1 attempt to “nullify” a power, so a Runepreist with a Runeweapon, wolf’s tail, and a bear’s scrotum doesn’t get 27 chances to dispel it.

Juvenile probably, but I laughed.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
Thanks. I'm glad they're limiting the SW anti-psyker nonsense in some ways, but at the same time, (same as I was saying on FMCs) they're totally making up a new rule here, and pretending they're not.

 Gloomfang wrote:

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
Thanks. I'm glad they're limiting the SW anti-psyker nonsense in some ways, but at the same time, (same as I was saying on FMCs) they're totally making up a new rule here, and pretending they're not.

Well for Nids it is not a huge diffrence. It affects exactly 1 gun on one model right now. Flyrant with Devourer. Every other wepaon (including all the wepaons on hte Harpy) use blast markers.

Not sure how it changes things for the Demons, but Nids are kinda ho hum about the change. It helps, but you still need 6's to glance with the BL Dev.

 Gloomfang wrote:
Well for Nids it is not a huge diffrence. It affects exactly 1 gun on one model right now. Flyrant with Devourer. Every other wepaon (including all the wepaons on hte Harpy) use blast markers.

StoneRaizer wrote:
TWC and any models that have the Hammer of Wrath USR don't get any buffs when using HoW. Auto hit at I10, base S, AP - that's it. No +2S if the Rider has a Frost Axe, no Rending, nada.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

Demons have the Bolt. For HT, I get you, but it's twelve TL str 6 shots. You're not exactly going to take out a vendetta with that (though you totally could, it you were dog fighting and got on his 6...rear armor) but it's still pretty nasty firepower.

Obviously they weren't thinking of flyers when they made most of the big Tyranid guns blasts, way back when. But the rule will still matter for the future.

 Kharrak wrote:
In regards to cover saves from the Deffrolla, it's not that surprising if one has a close knowledge of the rules. You get a cover save against anything that isn't a close combat attack, and anything that does NOT specifically deny cover saves.

So, if you are in a position in which you are granted cover saves, and you are rammed by the Deffrolla, you get your cover saves. It was the same with 5th. In general though, trying to bring it up was always met with huff-n-puff reactions.

Of course, if you have a KFF Mek in your Deffrolla, it does mean whatever you ram, will get cover saves.

 Captain Roderick wrote:

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

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 Captain Roderick wrote:
Whelp, one thing I spotted in the IG FAQ is something of a game-changer in my mind. Leman Russ now have vehicle type - Heavy.

Roll 12" and fire all weapons at full BS - who cares if you can't do a flat out move with that kind of firepower? 3 demolishers with plasma sponsons just became terrifying...

Yeah, I did miss that one, thought it was essentially the same as the "lumbering" rule. Though......I believe Heavy vehicles can only move 6", right?

Ah, you're totally right. It's actually worse than the original lumbering behemoth rule as far as mobility is concerned, better for firepower. The original LB rule was move up to 6", fire one weapon plus the turret gun, any faster you fire no weapons but can only go 6+D6". Now it's only 6" max, but all weapons all the time.

I got a bit excited and misread the heavy entry as allowing for cruising as well as combat speed....

 Gloomfang wrote:
Ohh and re-reading your full post on your site.

Tank Shocking a Mycetic Spore is not a slaughter, it is a dangerous thing to do. The Spore is an MC and that means that it is AP and it can Smash with it's one attack. So that is at least a pretty decent chance to do something nasty to the unit tank shocking it.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

 Gloomfang wrote:
Ohh and re-reading your full post on your site.

Tank Shocking a Mycetic Spore is not a slaughter, it is a dangerous thing to do. The Spore is an MC and that means that it is AP and it can Smash with it's one attack. So that is at least a pretty decent chance to do something nasty to the unit tank shocking it.

I thought of that, but CAN you use Smash on a Death or Glory roll? I didn't think you can. Though, looking it over, now, I'm not seeing anything saying you can't.

 Gloomfang wrote:

Sir_Prometheus wrote:

Demons have the Bolt. For HT, I get you, but it's twelve TL str 6 shots. You're not exactly going to take out a vendetta with that (though you totally could, it you were dog fighting and got on his 6...rear armor) but it's still pretty nasty firepower.

Obviously they weren't thinking of flyers when they made most of the big Tyranid guns blasts, way back when. But the rule will still matter for the future.

It will mean a big change to Flyrant Builds. Standard used to be BS/LW and TL Dev. I think it will now go to 2x TL Dev for that reason.

Most people went for the Vector Strike and then shooting the rear armor before. The Lash whip was good for if you got grounded as if you get charged it made everyone I1. Gets you a chance to kill some models before they strike. I think that the utility of the whip will out weight the extra devourer, but it is REALLY close. I think it depends on if you are going anti-flyer or anti-ground forces.

 beerbeard wrote:

You are forgetting the Ordnance rule. If you fire an ordnance weapon, all other weapons are snapfire. Lumbering Behemoth used to let you fire one additional weapon normally, now you can't. A couple of Russ variants improved with this, but for most of them, and your Demolisher, they got much, much worse. Why GW felt the need to take away a cool unique special rule and replace it with a USR that nerfs the tanks I do not know.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
You really think all that many players wait to play 6th ed until the mini-rulebook comes out? Myself, I never buy those starter sets. What am I going to do with 1/3 of 2 armies I don't play?

 Captain Roderick wrote:

 beerbeard wrote:

You are forgetting the Ordnance rule. If you fire an ordnance weapon, all other weapons are snapfire. Lumbering Behemoth used to let you fire one additional weapon normally, now you can't. A couple of Russ variants improved with this, but for most of them, and your Demolisher, they got much, much worse. Why GW felt the need to take away a cool unique special rule and replace it with a USR that nerfs the tanks I do not know.

Ach, dang, that's all kindsa dreadful. Maybe the next FAQ will fix? Maybe?

Although I'm now thinking exterminator with plasma, slightly better? but no.

Still, hull points - good, nerftastic destruction of LRBT's individuality - bad. If they're going to cripple it with Heavy, at least give it 4HP...

Sir_Prometheus wrote:
Ok......why not just Deep Strike them normally? BT still had the old style drop pods anyway, right?

Speakign from GK with psycannons, I've never found it that hard to get to 24" first turn anyway.