spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'd agree, pretty different.

I find Vets are a great plasma platform, while, due to deep strike, STs are better melta platforms

Also, something I've done in smaller games is send in naked ST units to harass PA support fire

I'd also say that vets are definitely a first choice over STs-- one can likely handle a lot, while the other is pretty expensive and specialized.

trollimus_maximus wrote:
It just seems to me that everything vets can do, stormies can do better (with a few exceptions)... but is it worth the ridiculous price tag?

 Rampage wrote:

Except score, which is an important exception. But the rest isn't really surprising seeing as Stormtroopers cost a lot more than Vets, plus you have to rely on them Deep Striking where you want them, which isn't going to happen all the time. 2/3s of the time you will scatter, that could be behind a building out of line of sight or somewhere where the rest of your opponent's army can see you to shoot your expensive squad off the board in the next player turn.

trollimus_maximus wrote:

 Rampage wrote:

Except score, which is an important exception. But the rest isn't really surprising seeing as Stormtroopers cost a lot more than Vets, plus you have to rely on them Deep Striking where you want them, which isn't going to happen all the time. 2/3s of the time you will scatter, that could be behind a building out of line of sight or somewhere where the rest of your opponent's army can see you to shoot your expensive squad off the board in the next player turn.

Actually stormtroopers get to re-roll the deepstrike dice if they want. that's 5/9 chance of a hit. Plus they may not scatter too far, so that ups the chances of getting where you need to go to like 66%.

With 6th edition's nerf to the deepstrike mishap table it has now become more likely to simply get delayed, which is even better for stormies... as opposed to vets who automatically get destroyed if they cant deploy out of a vendetta.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'd agree, pretty different.

I find Vets are a great plasma platform, while, due to deep strike, STs are better melta platforms

Also, something I've done in smaller games is send in naked ST units to harass PA support fire

I'd also say that vets are definitely a first choice over STs-- one can likely handle a lot, while the other is pretty expensive and specialized.

 Rampage wrote:

And as for the Vendetta point, why would you be putting them in a Vendetta?

 KplKeegan wrote:
I'm tossing my vote for Veterans. They're cheaper than a full Storm Trooper squad and have a better armory. Veterans can equip an additional special weapon and crew a heavy weapon team if needed. In addition, they have access to Doctrines. And they're a scoring unit.

The only shine Stormtroopers have are suicide Deep Strikes; the minimum five troopers with melta guns. They're a cheap throw-away alpha strike unit. A full squad of troopers is just a points sink and they're easily kited once they're out on the table, and +4 Armor isn't that terribly great either.

tankboy145 wrote:
Ive been playing a gunline them list and I dont have any vets whats so ever in it and im probaby going to add two squads of 5man stormtroops each with 2 meltas just becase if i face a gunline that has artillery or tanks hiding i can have those units pop them and having those units in the enemies backfield now has your opponent shooting at them rather than at my line or my tanks. I would liike to run vets but i just dont have the chimera support and i feel vets in vendettas arent worth it.

 VinnyTheRifleman wrote:
Just gonna throw my 2 cents in

I almost never took Veterans before 6th ed became "Plasma Edition", but I find myself moving more and more away from Stormtroopers because I haven't been seeing a lot of vehicle-heavy lists. It may just be the local meta, but it seems like every army is going Skimmer/ Flyer heavy to take advantage of Jink.

I feel like the only way ST's are useful now is against a very few specific list types, otherwise you're gonna want to spend those 10 more points for a 10 man Veteran squad with 3 plasma guns(115) over a 5-man squad of ST's with 2 melta guns(105).

Snapshot wrote:
This is going a little off-topic so apologies to the OP, but I'm getting more and more paranoid about plasmas. I think I might have done something unmentionable to the dice god's cat in a former life, but Gets Hot! kills me (pun intended). I'm getting to the point where Sv 4+ and FNP is a minimum requirement for me to consider taking them.