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				<description><![CDATA[ “Heello ‘umanz! Wot do ya fink if I teel ya that I am from Ghazkull and Grotsnik team band?!<br /> Well you can look to diz list of our army. Ma boss told that me can't show it to enemiz. Wont ya tell to him?! Or I krump your skull!”<br /> <br /> I would appreciate your comments about below list idea. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Grotsnik				160pts<br /> Ghazkhull Thraka			225pts<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 12 BurnaBoyz +Truck			225 pts (including points for Truck)<br /> 3 Meganobz+Truck			165 pts (including points for Truck)<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> 9 Lootaz				135 pts<br /> 10 Commandos (2 Burna) +Snikrot 	                  205 pts<br /> 6 Nob Bikerz(2PK, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>, Cyborg)Painboy             385 pts<br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> Battlewagon			130 pts<br /> Battlewagon			130 pts<br /> <br /> Fast attack<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> <br /> Total 2506 points<br /> <br /> Two battlewagonz with shoota boyz comes from one route and truck with Burna boyz and 6 nob bikerz comes from alternative route. I guess it could bring more chances to reach the enemy with less losts.<br /> Ghazkull with 3 Meganoobz in Truck will sit in reserve until 3rd turn. And then they try to get lucky to become a fast surprise <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> At the same time Grotsnik with Commandos will try thier chances to come from enemy side of the table - to attract their attention.<br /> And you can see Dakkajets for air support and biggunz (kannonz) and Lootaz for mooore dakka!<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ grotsnik is not an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> wots on the Battlewagon<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Grotsnick is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choice just checked my dex it looks pretty good man lots of target saturation ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Drop kommandos as they cannot assault out of reserve, so when they come in you have 11 expensive orks that just get shot to hell and have to take it till your next turn. Replace with more lootas. Oh and burna boyz cannot take a trukk, its a looted wagon or BW fer dem.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Burna boyz can take a trukk sure.. but the armor on the trukk just makes it less safe.. looted wagon is cheap if you want one more armor but.. you got that ¨DONT TOUCH DAT¨.... wait a sec...that might be good if you wanna charge ahead... it doesnt stop untill it hit anything anyway!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Burna boyz are elites so your probably gonna want to drop the kommandos and then max out your loota squad and or boyz squads. Other than that the list looks pretty solid.  Best of luck to you! <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ burna boyz can't buy a dedicated trukk for themselves. You have to have a mob of nobz/boys (no mobz bigger than 12 either!) to purchase a trukk for the burna boyz....<br /> <br /> <br /> burna boyz cant start game inside that trukk either. they have to embark/zoom into sunset on T1 (as the transport is a dedicated transport for another unit...)<br /> <br /> if you bought a heavy support battlewagon or looted wagon, they could start the game in that though.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thank you all for comments.<br /> I really like the idea to have something that can really hurt if your dice got lucky.<br /> So if commandos not so effectife in 6 edition - mayibe it is better to remove them and change Grotsnik on Warphed.<br /> The idea is to put Warphead into one mob of 30 shoota boyz and try chances to get "here we go"<br /> <br /> Another alternative is to take BigMek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(164);'>SAG</span> inspide of Grotsnik. It is also fun to shoot with those grots comming from WARP. <br /> <br /> I should think for a while and then wride down another list in this thread. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eeaf022aebd5cee520947cec0596848f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/485701/4924032.page"><b>4osen1 wrote:</b></a><br/>“Heello ‘umanz! Wot do ya fink if I teel ya that I am from Ghazkull and Grotsnik team band?!<br /> Well you can look to diz list of our army. Ma boss told that me can't show it to enemiz. Wont ya tell to him?! Or I krump your skull!”<br /> <br /> I would appreciate your comments about below list idea. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Grotsnik				160pts<br /> Ghazkhull Thraka			225pts<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 12 BurnaBoyz +Truck			225 pts (including points for Truck)<br /> 3 Meganobz+Truck			165 pts (including points for Truck)<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> 9 Lootaz				135 pts<br /> 10 Commandos (2 Burna) +Snikrot 	                  205 pts<br /> 6 Nob Bikerz(2PK, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>, Cyborg)Painboy             385 pts<br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> Battlewagon			130 pts<br /> Battlewagon			130 pts<br /> <br /> Fast attack<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> <br /> Total 2506 points<br /> <br /> Two battlewagonz with shoota boyz comes from one route and truck with Burna boyz and 6 nob bikerz comes from alternative route. I guess it could bring more chances to reach the enemy with less losts.<br /> Ghazkull with 3 Meganoobz in Truck will sit in reserve until 3rd turn. And then they try to get lucky to become a fast surprise <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> At the same time Grotsnik with Commandos will try thier chances to come from enemy side of the table - to attract their attention.<br /> And you can see Dakkajets for air support and biggunz (kannonz) and Lootaz for mooore dakka!<br /> </div></blockquote><br />  <br /> this list needs 1 more troop choice to be legal on DFOC as burna boyz are elites not troops.<br /> <br /> drop ghazkull<br /> drop grotsnik<br /> drop mega nobz<br /> drop the burnas and their trukk<br /> drop kommandoz and snikrot<br /> drop big gunz<br /> drop the trukk for the burnas<br /> drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span> from the nob bikers<br /> drop your existing battlewagons down to a deff rolla, and 1-2 big shootas <br /> <br /> add a warboss with warbike, cybody, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, attack squig, and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span> and run him with the nob bikers. he's a much more mobile beatstick than ghazkull with more saves and more dakka.<br /> add a big mek with at least <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> to help the battlewagons<br /> add 4 more nob bikers with cybodies to add a bigger punch to the nob bikers and to allow them to soak up more wounds <br /> add another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and a WAAAGH! banner to the nob bikers<br /> add another mob of boyz at 20 strong with your load out<br /> add 10 burna boyz and make 3 of them meks with big shootas and run them with the big mek in a battlewagon<br /> add 1 more battlewagon with a deff rolla and 1-2 big shootas<br /> add 16 lootas running them in sqauds of 8-8-9 or 12-13<br /> <br /> run 2 mobz of boyz in battlewagons and run the burnas with the big mek <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> in the 3rd battlewagons and run them in a wall of AV14 as much as the table allows or strategy allows<br /> the burnaz will be the spearhead taking all the hits as it can and then the big mek and the meks in the burnaz will heal the battlewagon with their mek tools because they wont be in range to burn anything till about turn 3 depending on who your facing. then when they do get in range, broadside an enemy unit with your 9 burna templates. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thank you Gutstuf for detailed post.<br /> I know that your option with lots of Nob bikers and battlewagons together with BigMek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> is more durable list than mine. <br /> However the main idea is to try chances to get lucky with dices for one of four options below:<br /> 1. It can be BigMek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(164);'>SAG</span> (that can really hurt with proper dice value)<br /> 2. It can be Warphead (that also could rapidly drop arround units through warp directly to the enemy)<br /> 3. It can be Grotsnik with Commandos (but unfortunately it works bad in 6ed)<br /> 4. It can be Ghazkull Thraka with Meganobz on Truck in reserve until 3rd turn (Just imagine how your enemy will nervous if he new that there is missle in the reserve that could rapidly blow at any moment)<br /> <br /> Do you think that some of this statements worth to spend points for?<br /> <br /> Again – just think about how funny it can be to bring some unexpected sudden blow)))<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:45:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ in that case, take a big mek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(164);'>SAG</span> and old zogwort]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The changes i would make, would be... Drop grotsnik, commandos and burna boys...  are you just playing 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span>? I'll assume you are... <br /> <br /> Would give you <br /> <br /> Ghazgul (to make <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(710);'>manz</span> troops)<br /> biker boss (to make biker nobs troops)<br /> <br /> 9 lootas<br /> <br /> troops:<br /> 20 boys kitted nob etc<br /> 20 boys kitted nob etc<br /> 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(710);'>manz</span> w/ trukk 3 kombi skorchas<br /> 6 nob bikers<br /> 12 boys w/ trukk (kitted nob too)<br /> 12 boys w/ trukk (kitted nob too)<br /> <br /> <br /> jet x 2<br /> <br /> battlewagon x 2 <br /> <br /> puts you at 2279~<br /> <br /> leaving 221 to spend.... I would suggest 2 more squads of lootas between 5-10 strong... Or beefing the mega nob unit out to closer to 9 + ghazgull and give them a battlewagon and drop 1 squad of 20 boys down to 12 in a trukk.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Only 45 boyz in a 2500P ARMY i would go for more]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eeaf022aebd5cee520947cec0596848f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/485701/4927355.page"><b>4osen1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Thank you Gutstuf for detailed post.<br /> I know that your option with lots of Nob bikers and battlewagons together with BigMek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> is more durable list than mine. <br /> However the main idea is to try chances to get lucky with dices for one of four options below:<br /> 1. It can be BigMek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(164);'>SAG</span> (that can really hurt with proper dice value)<br /> 2. It can be Warphead (that also could rapidly drop arround units through warp directly to the enemy)<br /> 3. It can be Grotsnik with Commandos (but unfortunately it works bad in 6ed)<br /> 4. It can be Ghazkull Thraka with Meganobz on Truck in reserve until 3rd turn (Just imagine how your enemy will nervous if he new that there is missle in the reserve that could rapidly blow at any moment)<br /> <br /> Do you think that some of this statements worth to spend points for?<br /> <br /> Again – just think about how funny it can be to bring some unexpected sudden blow)))<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't get the point of #4, I really don't. That just gives them the option to kill off your other stuff, and then pop the lonely trukk, which means the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(710);'>MANZ</span> will take forever to reach where they need to go. Put them in a battlewagon, in my opinion. If you want random, grab 45-90 lootas and put them in battlewagons. That should give you a real nice random fix. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eeaf022aebd5cee520947cec0596848f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/485701/4924032.page"><b>4osen1 wrote:</b></a><br/>“Heello ‘umanz! Wot do ya fink if I teel ya that I am from Ghazkull and Grotsnik team band?!<br /> Well you can look to diz list of our army. Ma boss told that me can't show it to enemiz. Wont ya tell to him?! Or I krump your skull!”<br /> <br /> I would appreciate your comments about below list idea. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Grotsnik				160pts <font color='red'>Drop him not worth the points sink for what he does </font><br /> Ghazkhull Thraka			225pts <font color='darkred'>Good </font><br /> <br /> Troops<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 20 Shoota Boyz +NOB (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>)		160 pts<br /> 12 BurnaBoyz +Truck			225 pts (including points for Truck)  <font color='red'>This unit is illegal 1st there elites 2nd they have no acsess to dedicated transports  </font><br /> 3 Meganobz+Truck			165 pts (including points for Truck)<font color='darkred'> Truck gone 1st turn nobs probably gone 1st or second turn get them a wagon and more friends or leave them home</font><br /> <br /> Elites<br /> 9 Lootaz				135 pts <font color='red'>Good </font><br /> 10 Commandos (2 Burna) +Snikrot 	                  205 pts <font color='darkred'> Drop </font><br /> 6 Nob Bikerz(2PK, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>, Cyborg)Painboy             385 pts <font color='red'>Solid </font><br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> 3 BigGunz(Kannon) +6 extra grotz 	                   78 pts<br /> Battlewagon			130 pts <font color='darkred'>Need to know what these have  </font><br /> Battlewagon			130 pts<br /> <br /> Fast attack<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> Dakkajet				135 pts<br /> <br /> Total 2506 points<br /> <br /> Two battlewagonz with shoota boyz comes from one route and truck with Burna boyz and 6 nob bikerz comes from alternative route. I guess it could bring more chances to reach the enemy with less losts.<br /> Ghazkull with 3 Meganoobz in Truck will sit in reserve until 3rd turn. And then they try to get lucky to become a fast surprise <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> At the same time Grotsnik with Commandos will try thier chances to come from enemy side of the table - to attract their attention.<br /> And you can see Dakkajets for air support and biggunz (kannonz) and Lootaz for mooore dakka!<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <font color='red'>Here is a unit for you Big mek <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Burna 12 burna boys with 3 meks Battle wagon with rolla armor plates grot riggers and a few big shootas. If your enemy does not blow it up or wreak it it will most likely never die with the 4 meks inside and if something charges the BW you get 13D3 over watch hits vs it </font>]]></description>
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				<title>Re:2500 Orkz: Where iz dat “kik ass” button?!</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ your nob bikers should be 15 more points.... You forgot a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh banner... which is a MUST! ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ skyfi]]></author>
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