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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Multi, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span> = 140<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Multi = 186<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> multi, Stim Inject, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 108<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Burst Cannon, Multi = 150<br /> <br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> IonHead  Ion Cannon, burst, DPod, Multi, Blacksun = 135<br /> <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish  DPod, Flecette = 95 <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish, DPod, Flecette = 95<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> <br /> Being different than my normal setups, and an expansion to a higher point level I'm looking for input.  Specificly in the shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>gens</span>, not used to putting them on the commanders.  I know everyone loves the Iriduim armor for the 2+ and that feel no pain is "uselss" against melta, but Keeping my mobility and targeting melta squads carefully is more of a tradeoff that I can deal with. I'm used to running a commander in a stealth squad for the crazy cover saves and extra wounds, so, thoughts on worthwhileness? if thats a word.<br /> <br /> Otherwise pretty straight forward<br /> <br /> Pathfinders light up units that need to die... Everything shoots at it.  Ionhead instead of rail because of the two groups of broadsides can handle heavyarmor, plus the ton of misslepods on the crisis suits for light armor.<br /> <br /> Thoughts? Tweaks?  I'd like to have more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FWs</span> or Team Leads in there for better leadership, but not seeing where to trim points easily.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:03:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So, perfect list then? no changes?  Experinced Tau players out there give me a heads up on weakness I might want to look out for?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:14:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4933955.page"><b>Rawrgyle wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Multi, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span> = 140<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Multi = 186<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> multi, Stim Inject, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 108<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Burst Cannon, Multi = 150<br /> <br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> IonHead  Ion Cannon, burst, DPod, Multi, Blacksun = 135<br /> <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish  DPod, Flecette = 95 <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish, DPod, Flecette = 95<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> .</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Here is an optimized list that you can actually win with once you get rid of all your gimmicks and toys.<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b><br /> Shas'<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>el</span> (103)<br /> PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(268);'>CIB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(519);'>TA</span>, HWMT, HWBSF<br /> <br /> Ethereal (50)<br /> <br /> <b>TROOPS</b><br /> 5x units of (9) Firewarriors (450)<br /> <br /> <b>ELITES</b><br /> 3x Crisis Suits  PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(522);'>TLDR</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span> = (194)<br /> 3x Crisis Suits PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> = (186) (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> Joins Here)<br /> <br /> <b>FAST</b><br /> 2x units of (6) Pathfinder = 72<br /> 2x Devilfish w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> (170)<br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br /> <br /> <b>HEAVY</b><br /> 2x Units of (2)Broadsides TLPR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(522);'>TLDR</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span>, HWTL, HWDC 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span> = (396)<br /> 1x Railhead Railgun, 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span> (160)<br /> <br /> 1850pts<br /> <br /> You now have:<br /> 5x Scoring Units &gt; 4x<br /> 5x S10 &gt; 4x<br /> 5x S10 Targets &gt; 2x<br /> 11x S6 AP2 &gt; 8x<br /> Improved <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> boardwide<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Nov 2012 07:21:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ paidinfull]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ neato, you're right I'm wrong, happy?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:29:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4940979.page"><b>paidinfull wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4933955.page"><b>Rawrgyle wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Multi, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span> = 140<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Plasma, Multi = 186<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>EL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, Shield <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(44);'>Gen</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> multi, Stim Inject, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 108<br /> Crisis x3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, Burst Cannon, Multi = 150<br /> <br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> Broadside x2 Plasma, Multi, x2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> Blacksun = 208<br /> IonHead  Ion Cannon, burst, DPod, Multi, Blacksun = 135<br /> <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish  DPod, Flecette = 95 <br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br />   Dfish, DPod, Flecette = 95<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x10 = 100<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> x9 = 90<br /> .</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Here is an optimized list that you can actually win with once you get rid of all your gimmicks and toys.<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b><br /> Shas'<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(555);'>el</span> (103)<br /> PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(268);'>CIB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(519);'>TA</span>, HWMT, HWBSF<br /> <br /> Ethereal (50)<br /> <br /> <b>TROOPS</b><br /> 5x units of (9) Firewarriors (450)<br /> <br /> <b>ELITES</b><br /> 3x Crisis Suits  PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(522);'>TLDR</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span> = (194)<br /> 3x Crisis Suits PR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(518);'>MP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> = (186) (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> Joins Here)<br /> <br /> <b>FAST</b><br /> 2x units of (6) Pathfinder = 72<br /> 2x Devilfish w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> (170)<br /> Pathfinder x6 = 72<br /> <br /> <b>HEAVY</b><br /> 2x Units of (2)Broadsides TLPR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(520);'>MT</span> & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(522);'>TLDR</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span>, HWTL, HWDC 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(517);'>SD</span> = (396)<br /> 1x Railhead Railgun, 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(655);'>BSF</span> (160)<br /> <br /> 1850pts<br /> <br /> You now have:<br /> 5x Scoring Units &gt; 4x<br /> 5x S10 &gt; 4x<br /> 5x S10 Targets &gt; 2x<br /> 11x S6 AP2 &gt; 8x<br /> Improved <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> boardwide<br /> </div></blockquote> I like it, my question now is what would you add/take away to make this list 1750 or 2000?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:16:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Guilldog]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2ea3a4b6f5ddc442914787e0a3a2dc26.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4941093.page"><b>Guilldog wrote:</b></a><br/> I like it, my question now is what would you add/take away to make this list 1750 or 2000?</div></blockquote><br /> My apologies on the late response.<br /> A couple questions.<br /> Is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> allowed in your meta or at the tournament?  If so,  2x tetra are almost an auto-include.  I find that it's best to pretty much stay around the 12-14 markerlight count.  Enough for a great alpha strike and sustainable through a couple of turns before they're shot to ribbons.<br /> <br /> I think the easiest thing to drop to go to 1750 would be a unit of fire warriors, or if you'd prefer, you could drop the unit of Fire Warriors and the Ethereal, but upgrade the Firewarriors to LD8. I'd add a unit of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(558);'>Deathrain</span> @ 2000<br /> <br /> With Tau's <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> deficiencies you'll want to get some <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> weaponry in there.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How can you have competitive Tau with Eldrad?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/65afb78ba94982239ee431d965e2013a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4951995.page"><b>FlingitNow wrote:</b></a><br/>How can you have competitive Tau with Eldrad?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> *Scratches head*<br /> Huh?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ paidinfull]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/65afb78ba94982239ee431d965e2013a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/486329/4951995.page"><b>FlingitNow wrote:</b></a><br/>How can you have competitive Tau with Eldrad?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Obvious answer is obvious.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry was supposed to say <br /> <br /> how can you have competitive tau with out Eldrad ]]></description>
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