flaming tadpole wrote:
So I finally had the pleasure of running my grotesque/haemie deathstar yesterday in a game against necrons, and DANG! I knew the unit was good in theory, but I didnt expect them to do as good as they did.

My death star is composed of: 3 grots w/ liquifier gun, 3 haemies w/ 3 liquifier guns and 3 venom blades, and a super kitted out archon all in a raider with no attachments. The reason I had the archon with them was because I was expecting for their transport to be popped pretty early on and would thus really benefit from his oober cc and he would likewise from T5.

The first unit I pull up to is a 10 man squad of immortals w/ lord. Now I was rolling good for my ap most the game so that was part of it. Anyways the immortal squad is completely annihilated by my 4 liquifier guns. A turn or two passes by and I pull up to another 10 man immortal squad w/ lord and likewise they are also obliterated by my 4 liquifier guns. Finally I pull up to a 10 man lych guard squad with shields and immotek. I only manage to kill off like 4, but that is only due to the fact that my opponent saved 11 out of his 15 invunerable saves! seriously I have never seen so many 4++ saves made.

so is it just the army I was playing or is a grot/haemie star actually a viable option? please let me know what you think and if anyone else has had the chance to try out something similar!

Hanith wrote:
Ok, I'll confess. When I saw "DE Grot Star" I immediately thought:

"What? DE and Grots (orks) work well together?"

Hanith wrote:
Ok, I'll confess. When I saw "DE Grot Star" I immediately thought:

"What? DE and Grots (orks) work well together?"

Steffo wrote:
I second Exergy with saying a VB on the aberation is must have, you get +1 attack for having 2 CCW's as well. Also consider a succubus with the grots, at I8 it greatly affects their sweeping advance chances, escaping if they wiff combat and run which can happen, and also by catching their opponent. The succy is also really cheap, and offers 6 more 3+ hit 2+ wound +combat drug chances to the mix on the charge.

From my experience 4 grots with succy, in raider with ethersails is the most cost effective loadout. Move flat out ontop of your opponent, watch the raider get destroyed, sit in the crater, tank the shooting so the rest of your army lives(archon with PGL is also good for this, due to stealth within 8 inches) and then charge everything. Preferably the rest of your army is also high threat, high saturation, reavers, hellions, haywire wyches, incubi all in transports.

 Exergy wrote:


getting fearless is really important for these guys, so I can almost understand the 2 haemis

Steffo wrote:

 Exergy wrote:


getting fearless is really important for these guys, so I can almost understand the 2 haemis

It is certainly handy and if you want to stack liquifiers which is very cool then sure, but you are paying 50 points or more for something you can get after your first combat, and with their movement that is usually turn 2. Initiate 8 also mitigates the downside of not being fearless since it is very unlikely that you will be swept it also means it is almost certain you sweep your opponent. Stacking liquifiers also reduces the chances that your target will be alive to be charged which could be dangerous if you are facing a gun line and want to be in combat. However Liquifiers are great charge deterrents, i would definitely think twice or three times before charging 4 of them with the reward for getting through having to fight a mean unit of grots, but i have found my opponents don't really want to charge my grots, so they just shoot them, so liquifiers just seem to hinder my effort of getting the unit into combat.

Hanith wrote:
Ok, I'll confess. When I saw "DE Grot Star" I immediately thought:

"What? DE and Grots (orks) work well together?"

 Exergy wrote:
... 5 attacks that reroll to wound 2+ is awesome...

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
... 5 attacks that reroll to wound 2+ is awesome...

Unfortunately, since the new FAQ Venom Blades no longer re-roll to wound if S>T. Sad but true, so Flesh Gauntlet/Scissorhand is probably better, if a little more expensive.

somerandomdude wrote:

^As far as Pheonix Lords are concerned, the only stinkers are Jain Zar and Asurman. Kharandras and Fuegan provide AP2 and Infiltrate/Tank Hunters respectively, Maugan Ra provides some nice ranged firepower, and (possibly becoming my favorite in the future) Baharroth provides Hit & Run. H&R and Fearless on a multi-wound deathstar is a nice combination!

 lord_bobbington wrote:
Exactly which FAQ is this and whereabouts? I don't see anything about that

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:

 lord_bobbington wrote:
Exactly which FAQ is this and whereabouts? I don't see anything about that

Because venom blades are no longer poisoned weapons. They have fleshbane, which does not confer rerolls :/

 Niiai wrote:

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:

 lord_bobbington wrote:
Exactly which FAQ is this and whereabouts? I don't see anything about that

Because venom blades are no longer poisoned weapons. They have fleshbane, which does not confer rerolls :/

Stop trolling us.

NamelessBard wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:

^As far as Pheonix Lords are concerned, the only stinkers are Jain Zar and Asurman. Kharandras and Fuegan provide AP2 and Infiltrate/Tank Hunters respectively, Maugan Ra provides some nice ranged firepower, and (possibly becoming my favorite in the future) Baharroth provides Hit & Run. H&R and Fearless on a multi-wound deathstar is a nice combination!

Phoenix lords only give their non-exarch powers to the unit. So, Infiltrate and Tank hunters are not given to the unit, just the Lords themselves. I'd say Fuegan is your best choice for hanging with Grots due to AP2 at initiative and deadly when shooting. Ra is not bad either.


Also, I don't see where they would lose re-rolls on poison.