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				<title>Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I may have a few more models coming in soon, and I have a shopping list to work on, so I'm trying to work out a couple solid competitive lists.<br /> <br /> This is what I'm pretty sure to have:<br /> <br /> 2 Archon<br /> Urien Rackarth<br /> Lelith<br /> Drazhar<br /> 3 haems<br /> 16 incubi<br /> 98 warriors (3 blasters, 3 shredders, 2 lances)<br /> 20 wyches<br /> 6 reavers<br /> 5 raiders<br /> 1 venom<br /> 1 ravager<br /> 1 razorwing<br /> <br /> Now for the start of my shopping list:<br /> 3 venoms, 1-2 ravager, 6 reavers, 1 razorwing, 20 scourge, 20 hellions<br /> <br /> other than going for a swarm of warriors and trueborn backed by lots of incubi and characters, I'm really not too sure where I should be heading.<br /> <br /> Any help would be appreciated, wither help with lists, or changes to my shopping list, I want to get this up to around 5K before switching to one of my other armies. And without allies.<br /> <br /> thanks<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ dpal666]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like you can already do the solid tactic of loading up your warriors/trueborn on raiders and flying them around shooting from the open top.  I have 10 hellions and have never gotten much use out of them.  Especialy with the Stun claw only affecting independent characters so you cant just scoop up a random sargent.  What you have already looks like a great build, I'm a fan of loading up wyches and dropping them into close combat from a transport but that doesnt seem to be a shared preference with the other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>DE</span> players.  It works for me though.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:07:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Exalbaru]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So other than venoms for truborn and wyches, I should be good?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:07:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ dpal666]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would deffinately invest in some wracks, you could get 20 of them instead of the hellions for roughly the same price I believe ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:19:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ flaming tadpole]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/491801/5029309.page"><b>flaming tadpole wrote:</b></a><br/>I would deffinately invest in some wracks, you could get 20 of them instead of the hellions for roughly the same price I believe </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So for troops go with warriors and wracks?, or a mix of war/wych/wrack?<br /> For double <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span>, I should be able to run 12 troop without a problem.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:04:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ dpal666]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ current list possibility<br /> <br /> Archon: Venom blade, husk blade, HWG, ghostplate, shadowfield, combat drugs<br /> Archon: Venom blabe, blast pistol, ghostplate, shadowfield, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>wwp</span><br /> <br /> 4 incubi venom, cannon<br /> <br /> 4x10 warriors cannon raider splinter racks<br /> 20 warriors 2x cannon<br /> 9 wyches HWG raider<br /> <br /> 2x3 reavers, heat lance, caltrops<br /> <br /> ravager<br /> razorwing, shatterfields, flickerfield<br /> <br /> 1997<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>wwp</span> archon with wyches run up and drop portal, send warriors through to hold objective<br /> dual wield archon with incubi to smash face<br /> <br /> thoughts?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:48:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ dpal666]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Overall pretty for a first try.<br /> The archons are a little bloated. I would drop the blast pistol from the second archon and just take HWG's instead. Archons dont really need a pistol, throwing a plasma/haywire grenade is usually better. Might want to take a couple of hameys(liquifier+venom blade) over a second con. Give one of them a webway, and throw the other with the kabbie blob(21 bodies with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span>),maybe even consider a hexrifle here.<br /> <br /> A kabbie blob of 20 on foot might benefit from a syrabite for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>ld</span> purposes. <br /> <br /> Monoscythe missiles are pretty solid, I would only take shatters if you need to kill points. Granted, shatterfield missiles are amazing....<br /> <br /> If you want to rush the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>WWP</span> raider, grab aethersails and a shock prow. You can move faster, and do some damage on the way in. Wytches plan on assaulting anyways. <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:14:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dr. Serling]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help with DE</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c126c15efc2da152a9cbac56bdd44807.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/491801/5031613.page"><b>Dr. Serling wrote:</b></a><br/>Overall pretty for a first try.<br /> The archons are a little bloated. I would drop the blast pistol from the second archon and just take HWG's instead. Archons dont really need a pistol, throwing a plasma/haywire grenade is usually better. Might want to take a couple of hameys(liquifier+venom blade) over a second con. Give one of them a webway, and throw the other with the kabbie blob(21 bodies with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span>),maybe even consider a hexrifle here.<br /> <br /> A kabbie blob of 20 on foot might benefit from a syrabite for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>ld</span> purposes. <br /> <br /> Monoscythe missiles are pretty solid, I would only take shatters if you need to kill points. Granted, shatterfield missiles are amazing....<br /> <br /> If you want to rush the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>WWP</span> raider, grab aethersails and a shock prow. You can move faster, and do some damage on the way in. Wytches plan on assaulting anyways. <br /> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> OK, maybe swap out the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>WWP</span> Archon for a haemi or 2 one with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(541);'>wwp</span>/liquifier, one with hexrifle, I could see doing that. <br /> The main reason i threw up the shatterfields was for points. Having a hard time fitting in other option with what I have available right now. So maybe drop the shatters down for the upgrades to the raiders...<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:50:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ dpal666]]></author>
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