<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders IMO. They (almost) always preform well for me, but I wish there was a way to do more with them. Nothing major but just a few perks.

So with that in mind, here is my idea for what I would love to see with them be upgraded similar to the way SM can take bikes.

-The ability to mount CCS (no unique characters but allow advisers) on Rough Riders, changing their type to "cavalry" with all associated benefits.
-All non unique IC (ie Commissar Lord, Priest, etc...) on Rough Riders, changing their type to "cavalry" with all associated benefits.
-Allow Rough Rider Squads to take a regular Commissar as an upgrade the way PCS and Infantry squads do.

If CCS is mounted, then Rough Rider squads as either unlocked as Troops (the way SM bikes are) or become scoring units.

I think this is very doable and might help breath some life into them to more players. I'm not saying they would be seen in competitive lists, but more semi and friendly games. What does everybody think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5137871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5137871.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5137886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5137886.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5139096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5139096.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5139185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5139185.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders FW mukaali but with more options. Rough riders should also have the option to upgrade their weapons... It's kinda silly that they're limited to the interpretation of lancemen on horseback and why not dragoon or some other form of riders on more varied beasts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5141266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5141266.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders - Rough Riders as Elites instead of Fast Attack.
- Remove the Vendetta and hit the Hellhound/Devil Dog/Bane Wolf with the nerfhammer.

Overall, I think that the RRs are not a bad unit, but they occupy a very unfortunate FoC selection. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5141442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5141442.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
 AtoMaki wrote:
I can see two solutions:
- Rough Riders as Elites instead of Fast Attack.
- Remove the Vendetta and hit the Hellhound/Devil Dog/Bane Wolf with the nerfhammer.

Overall, I think that the RRs are not a bad unit, but they occupy a very unfortunate FoC selection.

Moving them to Elites or a way to unlock them as troops through a mounted CCS, I think would be the way to go. And I would LOVE to see their lances become more then 1 shot. That would make them much more dangerous. The update to Rage, and their hunting lances (allowing them to benifit from FC) made Mogul Kimar a hugh boost instead of being a major liability.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5142114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5142114.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5142204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5142204.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
Rough Riders....55 points

Rough Rider: WS4 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD7 SV5+
Sergeant : WS4 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A2 LD8 SV5+
Commissar: WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A2 LD9 SV5+

Unit Composition: 1 Sergeant and 4 Rough Riders
Unit Type: Cavalry
Wargear: Hunting Lance, Laspistol, Flak Armor, Frag+Krak Grenades (Commissar has a Bolt Pistol, CCW, Flak Armor, Frag+Krak Grenades)
Special Rules: Hit and Run (Commissar is Stubborn)

Hunting Lance
On the turn Rough Riders charge: +1 Strength, +2 Initiative, AP3, Rending
On every other turn: Close Combat Weapon
Note that models charging with a Hunting lance may never get an extra attack for having an additional close combat weapon.

Options:
Up to 15 additional Rough Riders: 10 points per model
May take Carapace Armor: +3 points per model
Any model may replace Laspistol with Lasgun: Free, or may take a Lasgun:+2 points per model

Up to 2 models may replace their Hunting Lance with:
Flamer: Free
Melta Gun: 5 points
Plasma Gun: 10 points

May take a Commissar: 35 points

The Sergeant or Commissar may replace one of their weapons with:
Power Weapon: +10
Plasma Pistol: +10

The Sergeant or Commissar may take:
Melta Bombs: +5


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Shock Cavalry- All models have a 4+ armor save and they are mounted on heavier warhorses which confer T4 and 1 model per 5 models may take a power weapon for an additional cost.
(Possibly lose Lances?)

Lancers-The rough riders are given the hit and run special rule and one more attack on the charge

Dragoons-Roughriders can take 2 special weapons and are given BS 4

Please keep in mind these are just very rough ideas.
I'm not sure what point cost would be fair for these doctrines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5144421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5144421.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders LR opening up and having cavalry pour out? That would make my game.

On the more serious side, the doctrines like ST is a really good idea. Although there should be a doctrine for forward scouts. Maybe scouts, stealth, and some surprise attack weapon options.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5154754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5154754.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
 alienvalentine wrote:
Change their lances so they work more like Eldar Shining Spears laser lances, where they work only on the turn the unit charges, not just once per game. Also give them toughness boost to T4. If Space Wolves on Fenrisian Wolf Mounts get to be T5, why don't Guardsmen on a horse get to be T4?


I think that would work. Make the lances only work on the charge. Also, as someone said, give them Hit and Run. Thats how cavalry should really operate, so let them.

Use the rules youve suggested in a friendly game OP. Nothing wrong with some homebrew rules if they are balanced. I have some Tarellian Dog Soldiers in my Tau army that ive almost got right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5159032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5159032.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders RR should have an increase in Toughness. If anything, cavalry is at a disadvantage on a modern battlefield.

What would be cool indeed, if they could at least go toe-to-toe with melee units if they're lancers or use hit-and-run tactics if they're dragoon-like units.

But against shooting, they really should be at a disadvantage imho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5163421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5163421.page GMT Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
I still think having a variety of mounts would make a lot of sense to vary the unit and give it oomph. You could have "cyber-beasts" that grant feel no pain... Or some extra legged beast that gives a scout move... Or something that grants outflank. My though is that for RR not to just be fodder in the 41st millennium they'd have means of not getting chopped down. There'd still be the option to play them that way but GW needs to inject that scifi flavor into them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5164531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5164531.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5174583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5174583.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
Sandinistato wrote:
Could always give them different doctrines like vets, some ideas would be like

Shock Cavalry- All models have a 4+ armor save and they are mounted on heavier warhorses which confer T4 and 1 model per 5 models may take a power weapon for an additional cost.
(Possibly lose Lances?)

Lancers-The rough riders are given the hit and run special rule and one more attack on the charge

Dragoons-Roughriders can take 2 special weapons and are given BS 4

Please keep in mind these are just very rough ideas.
I'm not sure what point cost would be fair for these doctrines.


This idea is goddamn beautiful.

I have always wondered why they didn't get +1 to toughness like all the other mounted units in the game do. Seemed unfair.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5176350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5176350.page GMT Re:Idea for breathing some life into Rough riders
Cheesedoodler wrote:
Sandinistato wrote:
Could always give them different doctrines like vets, some ideas would be like

Shock Cavalry- All models have a 4+ armor save and they are mounted on heavier warhorses which confer T4 and 1 model per 5 models may take a power weapon for an additional cost.
(Possibly lose Lances?)

Lancers-The rough riders are given the hit and run special rule and one more attack on the charge

Dragoons-Roughriders can take 2 special weapons and are given BS 4

Please keep in mind these are just very rough ideas.
I'm not sure what point cost would be fair for these doctrines.


This idea is goddamn beautiful.

I have always wondered why they didn't get +1 to toughness like all the other mounted units in the game do. Seemed unfair.


I've just always wondered why GW doesn't use "Doctrines" more often than they do as they seem like a way to allow players to create "fluffier" units to suit their taste and for some units such as rough riders it would work very well as trying to make them fit these different roles would not be possible unless they had the option of gaining special rules such as these.

I also liked someone's idea of giving dragoons hot shot lasguns which I think makes sense as historically Dragoon units were generally better equipped than line infantry, although in some periods dragoons operated simply as line infantry with the advantage of being able to displace quicker by using their horse than dismounting at the proper location to open fire on the enemy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5176434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/498279/5176434.page GMT