washout77 wrote:
GW actually made rules for Gabriel Angelos at one point (although, they were biased in writing it). I forget where they published it though, but they also made Boreale (who is 125 points, and MUCH less serious. One of Boreales special rules involves his baldness. It makes any unit shooting at him use Night Fighting, and he is counted as having a Searchlight since he reflects light. Yeah. Im serious)...

Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos: 225 points
WS:7
BS:5
S:4
T:4
W:4
I:5
A:4
Ld:10
Sv: 2+, 4++

Chapter Master: Gabriel Angelos possesses the rank of Chapter master, and as such, may be accompanied by a Command squad or take an Honour Guard, in addition, he may call down a single orbital bombardment per game (see Codex: Space Marines).

Wargear:
Godsplitter: This sanctified Daemonhammer is a Master-Crafted Thunder Hammer (see Warhammer 40,000 rulebook) that was gifted to Gabriel during the Tartarus Campaign, this weapon was made as an anathema to anything daemonic. This weapon ignores a Daemon's invulnerable save and reduces their toughness and strength by 1 for the duration of the game with every successful wound caused by this weapon. This cannot be replaced.

Plasma Pistol: See Codex: Space Marines. Can be swapped for a Master-Crafted Bolt Pistol for free or with an inferno pistol for +5 points.

Artificer Armour: Armour save included in profile above. This cannot be replaced.

Iron Halo: This holy icon projects a powerful shield around the bearer. Gabriel receives a 4+ invulnerable save, this is shown in his profile above.

Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Counter-attack.

My Foe Shall Fall!
In lieu of his normal attacks, Gabriel may instead perform the following attack: Gabriel swings his Daemonhammer with all his might at a single enemy, causing massive damage to his target but he may only make 1 attack. Roll a d6 when assaulting, if the result is 1-2: his attack will automatically miss. If the result is 3-4: his attack will count as S10 and roll an additional d3 for armour penetration, as well as ignoring his opponent's armor save. If the result is 5-6, his attack counts as S10, rolls an additional 2d6 for armour penetration, and Gabriel's target cannot use armor saves for the duration of the game (including against this attack).

My Faith is My Shield!
This ability applies only to Imperial allies. Gabriel stands as a shining beacon of the Emperor's faith and fury among his brothers in arms, inspiring them to fight on with greater vigor. Every model in a unit joined by Gabriel gains a 5+ invulnerable save. This ability does not apply to units that already have an invulnerable save that are either innate or from wargear. Conversely, all Chaos-aligned units within 24" of him, enemy or ally, suffers from a -2 Ld deduction, to a minimum of 5.

Retribution
Gabriel fights to redeem his chapter, the Blood Ravens, from the sins of their former Chapter Master in the eyes of the Emperor and the Imperium, and will go through great lengths to see that fulfilled. This ability automatically gives Gabriel the "Feel No Pain" rule. Additionally when Gabriel is killed, he also has a chance to be resurrected back into combat. Roll a d6 on his death, if the result is 4 or less: Gabriel dies and is removed from the game as a casualty, if the result is 5: Gabriel comes back into the game with only 1 wound, if the result is 6: Gabriel comes back with all 4 wounds. If Gabriel is successfully resurrected, he will continue his previous action before he was incapacitated. This may be repeated until a number lower than 5 is rolled or the player does not wish to use this rule.

Taste the Fury of the Blood Ravens!
Gabriel burns with zealotry whenever he is in the field of battle. Whenever he is deployed to the field as reinforcements via deep strike: he and his retinue can assault on the same turn they enter the field and gain Furious Charge on their initial charge, they may only do this if they did not run or shoot in the preceding shooting phase however.

Independent Character
Gabriel Angelos is an independent character as defined by the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. He cannot join fast-attack squads.

 washout77 wrote:
GW actually made rules for Gabriel Angelos at one point (although, they were biased in writing it). I forget where they published it though, but they also made Boreale (who is 125 points, and MUCH less serious. One of Boreales special rules involves his baldness. It makes any unit shooting at him use Night Fighting, and he is counted as having a Searchlight since he reflects light. Yeah. Im serious)...

Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos: 225 points
WS:7
BS:5
S:4
T:4
W:4
I:5
A:4
Ld:10
Sv: 2+, 4++

Because Gabriel Angelos is somehow a better fighter and as tough as Marneus Calgar, a rightfully proclaimed 'god of war'

Chapter Master: Gabriel Angelos possesses the rank of Chapter master, and as such, may be accompanied by a Command squad or take an Honour Guard, in addition, he may call down a single orbital bombardment per game (see Codex: Space Marines).

because normal Chapter masters have access to Command squad

Wargear:
Godsplitter: This sanctified Daemonhammer is a Master-Crafted Thunder Hammer (see Warhammer 40,000 rulebook) that was gifted to Gabriel during the Tartarus Campaign, this weapon was made as an anathema to anything daemonic. This weapon ignores a Daemon's invulnerable save and reduces their toughness and strength by 1 for the duration of the game with every successful wound caused by this weapon. This cannot be replaced.

so somehow this is better than a GK daemon hammer, why?

Plasma Pistol: See Codex: Space Marines. Can be swapped for a Master-Crafted Bolt Pistol for free or with an inferno pistol for +5 points.

because space marines have access to inferno pistols

Artificer Armour: Armour save included in profile above. This cannot be replaced.

Iron Halo: This holy icon projects a powerful shield around the bearer. Gabriel receives a 4+ invulnerable save, this is shown in his profile above.

Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Counter-attack.

because Gabriel Angelos is a blood angel and a space wolf at the same time

My Foe Shall Fall!
In lieu of his normal attacks, Gabriel may instead perform the following attack: Gabriel swings his Daemonhammer with all his might at a single enemy, causing massive damage to his target but he may only make 1 attack. Roll a d6 when assaulting, if the result is 1-2: his attack will automatically miss. If the result is 3-4: his attack will count as S10 and roll an additional d3 for armour penetration, as well as ignoring his opponent's armor save. If the result is 5-6, his attack counts as S10, rolls an additional 2d6 for armour penetration, and Gabriel's target cannot use armor saves for the duration of the game (including against this attack).

wut

My Faith is My Shield!
This ability applies only to Imperial allies. Gabriel stands as a shining beacon of the Emperor's faith and fury among his brothers in arms, inspiring them to fight on with greater vigor. Every model in a unit joined by Gabriel gains a 5+ invulnerable save. This ability does not apply to units that already have an invulnerable save that are either innate or from wargear. Conversely, all Chaos-aligned units within 24" of him, enemy or ally, suffers from a -2 Ld deduction, to a minimum of 5.

wut

Retribution
Gabriel fights to redeem his chapter, the Blood Ravens, from the sins of their former Chapter Master in the eyes of the Emperor and the Imperium, and will go through great lengths to see that fulfilled. This ability automatically gives Gabriel the "Feel No Pain" rule. Additionally when Gabriel is killed, he also has a chance to be resurrected back into combat. Roll a d6 on his death, if the result is 4 or less: Gabriel dies and is removed from the game as a casualty, if the result is 5: Gabriel comes back into the game with only 1 wound, if the result is 6: Gabriel comes back with all 4 wounds. If Gabriel is successfully resurrected, he will continue his previous action before he was incapacitated. This may be repeated until a number lower than 5 is rolled or the player does not wish to use this rule.

So, Gabriel is not only a space marine, he's also a blood angel, space wolf AND anval thawn?

Taste the Fury of the Blood Ravens!
Gabriel burns with zealotry whenever he is in the field of battle. Whenever he is deployed to the field as reinforcements via deep strike: he and his retinue can assault on the same turn they enter the field and gain Furious Charge on their initial charge, they may only do this if they did not run or shoot in the preceding shooting phase however.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
See massive quote above

 washout77 wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
See massive quote above

Well, GW also said that the rules were incredibly cheesy and weren't meant to be taken TOO seriously. They just did it because fans were bugging the heck out of them to make rules for Angelos and Boreale. So, they did.

Your acting as if WE wrote these rules. HELL NO. We at least know a cent of balance. This was all GW hahahahaha, so calm down and complain to them

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 washout77 wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
See massive quote above

Well, GW also said that the rules were incredibly cheesy and weren't meant to be taken TOO seriously. They just did it because fans were bugging the heck out of them to make rules for Angelos and Boreale. So, they did.

Your acting as if WE wrote these rules. HELL NO. We at least know a cent of balance. This was all GW hahahahaha, so calm down and complain to them

I'm sorry then. Why do these exist?

 washout77 wrote:
Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos: 190 points (Place price between Calgar and Pedro)
WS:6
BS:5
S:4
T:4
W:4
I:5
A:4
Ld:10
Sv: 2+, 4++
(not quite ready to think Gabe is awesome enough to beat Godfather of Mary Sues in WS)

Chapter Master: Gabriel Angelos possesses the rank of Chapter master, and as such, may take an Honour Guard, in addition, he may call down a single orbital bombardment per game (see Codex: Space Marines).
(What has the name included for a title? Redundant)

Wargear:
Godsplitter: This sanctified Daemonhammer is a Master-Crafted Thunder Hammer (see Warhammer 40,000 rulebook) that was gifted to Gabriel during the Tartarus Campaign, this weapon was made as an anathema to anything daemonic. This weapon reduces their toughness and strength by 1 for the duration of the game with every successful wound caused by this weapon. This cannot be replaced. (makes the hammer way too overpowered for what it does, even more so than a GK one. This edit is fine.)

Plasma Pistol: See Codex: Space Marines. Can be swapped for a Master-Crafted Bolt Pistol for free or with an inferno pistol for +5 points.

Artificer Armour: Armour save included in profile above. This cannot be replaced.

Iron Halo: This holy icon projects a powerful shield around the bearer. Gabriel receives a 4+ invulnerable save, this is shown in his profile above.

Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Counter-attack.

My Foe Shall Fall!
In lieu of his normal attacks, Gabriel may instead perform the following attack: Gabriel swings his Daemonhammer with all his might at a single enemy, causing massive damage to his target but he may only make 1 attack. Roll a d6 when assaulting, if the result is 1-2: his attack will automatically miss. If the result is 3-4: his attack will count as S10 and roll an additional d3 for armour penetration, as well as ignoring his opponent's armor save. If the result is 5-6, his attack counts as S10, rolls an additional 2d6 for armour penetration, and Gabriel's target cannot use armor saves for the duration of the game (including against this attack).

My Faith is My Shield!
This ability applies only to Imperial allies. Gabriel stands as a shining beacon of the Emperor's faith and fury among his brothers in arms, inspiring them to fight on with greater vigor. Every model in a unit joined by Gabriel gains a 5+ invulnerable save. This ability does not apply to units that already have an invulnerable save that are either innate or from wargear. Conversely, all Chaos-aligned units within 24" of him, enemy or ally, suffers from a -1 Ld deduction, to a minimum of 6. (-2 Ld just seems way too much to be believable)

Retribution
Gabriel fights to redeem his chapter, the Blood Ravens, from the sins of their former Chapter Master in the eyes of the Emperor and the Imperium, and will go through great lengths to see that fulfilled. This ability automatically gives Gabriel the "Feel No Pain" rule. (Gabe is not Yarrick, Kharn, or Ghazgrall(typo), FNP is ok for him)

Taste the Fury of the Blood Ravens!
Gabriel burns with zealotry whenever he is in the field of battle. Whenever he is deployed to the field as reinforcements via deep strike: he and his retinue can assault on the same turn they enter the field and gain Furious Charge on their initial charge, they may only do this if they did not run or shoot in the preceding shooting phase however.

Independent Character
Gabriel Angelos is an independent character as defined by the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. He cannot join fast-attack squads.

 ace101 wrote:
Again, see massive quote above

 washout77 wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Again, see massive quote above

I like those edits much more. That seems like a much more believable character, and I would honestly play him over the GW version. I would be interested to see if tournaments would allow the GW version as it is technically GW published rules for Codex:Space Marines....

About Godsplitter. Yes, while the edits make it much more balanced, pure-fluff wise it is supposed to be the most powerful Daemonhammer known to the IoM. Something about how it was crafted using parts from an Eldar Craftworld and stuff, typical Black Library OTT writing.

prete wrote:

 Lord General Cheese wrote:
Blood Ravens do not deserve crap and contradictions between DOW games and actual fluff makes them not valid anyhow so no

@LGC: This is proposed rules and the appropriate place to discuss proposed rules for Blood Ravens, whether you like them or not.