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Although half the chapters rebelled, does this mean that every member of those chapters did too?

surely some of Horus' men would've turned against him for love of the emperor? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193718.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193741.page GMT Good guys on all sides http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193767.page GMT Good guys on all sides EOM and not their primarchs]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193779.page GMT Good guys on all sides
Garro was a Death Guard captain who escaped and informed the Imperium of Man of Horus and his betrayal and would later help in the founding of the Inquisition/Grey Knights

Saul Travitz was a Captain of the Emperor's Children who warned the loyalist to take shelter and commanded the loyalist forces on Istavaan III during Horus military actions against him.



By the end of the fighting on Istavaan III the traitor legions had lost 1/3 of their strength with the World Eaters losing even more




Also, at this time, everyone is a legion. Chapters exist INSIDE legions like Companies in Chapters]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193939.page GMT Good guys on all sides http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193947.page GMT Good guys on all sides
 Harriticus wrote:
Night Lords,

Night Lords were essentially traitors before the Heresy even happened. That being said, Sevatar did become a Grey Knight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5193966.page GMT Good guys on all sides
 DarknessEternal wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
Night Lords,

Night Lords were essentially traitors before the Heresy even happened. That being said, Sevatar did become a Grey Knight.


Really? Which book was that in? If it was prince of crows, that gives me another reason to reread it...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194475.page GMT Good guys on all sides
 motyak wrote:
 DarknessEternal wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
Night Lords,

Night Lords were essentially traitors before the Heresy even happened. That being said, Sevatar did become a Grey Knight.


Really? Which book was that in? If it was prince of crows, that gives me another reason to reread it...


It's not in any book. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194504.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194508.page GMT Good guys on all sides HH books give all sorts of information (surprisingly ) on the HH.

Personally I would not bother as I did not really find any of them that enjoyable and some were just dire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194526.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
 4oursword wrote:
Is it actually true then?


No, it's pure speculation and a theory I've never heard before. Do you really think Sevatar, the man to coin the phrase "Death To The False Emperor", will become a Grey Knight?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194575.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
 Just Dave wrote:
 4oursword wrote:
Is it actually true then?


No, it's pure speculation and a theory I've never heard before. Do you really think Sevatar, the man to coin the phrase "Death To The False Emperor", will become a Grey Knight?


I was really surprised when he/she said that, just figured that I had missed some 'flash forwards' or something]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194586.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
 motyak wrote:
 Just Dave wrote:
 4oursword wrote:
Is it actually true then?


No, it's pure speculation and a theory I've never heard before. Do you really think Sevatar, the man to coin the phrase "Death To The False Emperor", will become a Grey Knight?


I was really surprised when he/she said that, just figured that I had missed some 'flash forwards' or something


So was I! I've not heard it before or seen anything to imply that to be the case, minus the new(?) revelation about Sevatar's 'abilities' (see spoiler) in Prince of Crows, but considering the source of the theory, I'm not inclined to believe it.

Spoiler:
Psychic Powers, albeit consciously suppressed
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In the Night Lords novel trilogy, when Sevatar was first introduced, he was mentioned as being the possible only person to have fully kept the legion together. Except that he was very, very long dead.

ADB also mentioned that there's no real drama in heresy stories if the characters you're following end up being around 10000 years later.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194676.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Ahh remember the good old last stand of the still loyal World Eaters, using all those dead bodies of civilians (Dont know if it were civilians, but at least they were dead.) as some kind of barricade. They held out pretty long.

Did they? I always assumed they fell quite quickly since they were dealing with their Primarch.

Which makes me wonder, why didn't he (and the other Primarchs) attack the other Loyalists? Seems like they were just searching for a way for the Loyalists to deal real damage on the Traitors, when they really should've been destroyed a lot quicker, especially considering the way they did eventually end it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194779.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Ahh remember the good old last stand of the still loyal World Eaters, using all those dead bodies of civilians (Dont know if it were civilians, but at least they were dead.) as some kind of barricade. They held out pretty long.
Which makes me wonder, why didn't he (and the other Primarchs) attack the other Loyalists? Seems like they were just searching for a way for the Loyalists to deal real damage on the Traitors, when they really should've been destroyed a lot quicker, especially considering the way they did eventually end it.


Well, IIRC, Horus actually A) didn't expect anyone to survive (thanks Saul) and B) was just going to leave them there or nuke 'em some more; it's only because Angron went down to the surface and put a spanner in these plans that Horus had to commit forces to finishing them off at all. So yeah, they would've been destroyed a lot quicker (or left stranded) if it all went as Horus planned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194829.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides
 Just Dave wrote:

Well, IIRC, Horus actually A) didn't expect anyone to survive (thanks Saul) and B) was just going to leave them there or nuke 'em some more; it's only because Angron went down to the surface and put a spanner in these plans that Horus had to commit forces to finishing them off at all. So yeah, they would've been destroyed a lot quicker (or left stranded) if it all went as Horus planned.

Yeah, but if the Primarchs themselves had gotten involved it would've ended a lot quicker. I mean, unless Angron spent ages fighting the World Eaters (unlikely) he stopped fighting well before the end and presumably did something else. Even still, the Emperors Children and Sons of Horus could easily have been bombarded from orbit even with Angron fighting elsewhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194863.page GMT Good guys on all sides FW book for example)...? In the end it did have the benefit of getting the traitors used to being traitorous (as well as when they fought the aurelian technocracy) though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5194908.page GMT Good guys on all sides
 SilverMK2 wrote:
If you can stomach them, the HH books give all sorts of information (surprisingly ) on the HH.

Personally I would not bother as I did not really find any of them that enjoyable and some were just dire.


If you would like to read more check out the HH book series.

Its also a popular series that a lot of people enjoy for being well written

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 Void__Dragon wrote:
He uh, just said he didn't like them, lol.


I think that was his joke

I just wanted to shoot myself by the end of the books. Granted there are plenty of people who really enjoy them - just putting it out there that you might want to take it one book at a time if you are ordering them rather than getting the whole set at once to see if you like it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195282.page GMT Good guys on all sides ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195299.page GMT Good guys on all sides
 SilverMK2 wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
He uh, just said he didn't like them, lol.


I think that was his joke

I just wanted to shoot myself by the end of the books. Granted there are plenty of people who really enjoy them - just putting it out there that you might want to take it one book at a time if you are ordering them rather than getting the whole set at once to see if you like it


Ya, I understand that not everyone likes them. Thats fine

It was just a light hearted statement, everyone has different oppinions.


I do agree that if someone does read the series, buy one book at a time and think about the topic before you buy it. Not every book is for everyone. I personally found Mechanicum a pain to finish, I was unable to even get halfway through Prospero Burns, find the idea of Outcast Dead boring, and I refuse to read Legion cause the story is awful sounding.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195698.page GMT Good guys on all sides
Apparently it started the process of inserting Highlanders into 40k. Which would be fine, if a certain background character was not later revealed to be one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195712.page GMT Re:Good guys on all sides IMHO awful.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501651/5195767.page GMT Good guys on all sides
Spoiler:
The entire Fourth Fellowship was sent by Magnus away from Prospero just before the Space Wolves arrived. They were attacked by an unknown enemy and were scattered, but the command element returned to Prospero. Most were killed by World Eaters scouring the ruins, but Arvida escaped, swore to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship and lead them to fight the true cause of his legion's destruction (he apparently didn't blame the Wolves for what they did), and perceived as a Corvidae that he would not die on Prospero, and would go on to perform what he intended to do.


Captain Menes Kalliston of the Fourth Fellowship was accompanied Revuel Arvida, but he captured by the World Eaters and brought before Kharn. He learned of Horus' treachery and Magnus' actions, but he renounced Magnus internally, calling his actions as insane or so incomprehensibly evil that any further loyalty to his as meaningless. He was later killed by Kharn but before his death foresaw Kharn (and those like him) as ultimately bringing about their own destruction.

Captain Barabbas Dantioch of the Iron Warriors 14th Grand Company (or rather, its garrisoned elements on Lesser Damantyne) remained loyal to the Emperor.

Spoiler:
With the assistance of an Ultramarines Champion, they held out for a year before the fortress was lost, but wiped out the traitor elements of the 14th Grand Company and their Imperial Army cohorts. Escaping to the flagship, they seized the vessel and captured a Son of Horus Captain overseeing the operation. After being told of Guilliman's plans, they set a course for either Terra or Macragge (its not made clear).
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