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Though me thinking something doesnt make it true,, i cant find anything about it in the BRB yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385106.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Note that jink is technically a cover save, so no jink saves against hive guard.

Cheers,

V
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385119.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon KFF. And, no night fight!

Basically, area terrain and touching the cover gives saves against Hive Guard, and nothing else. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385120.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
If you want a save the stand in base contact with the terain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385163.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Is it a barrage weapon?

Again, i dont have the codex so i dont know what the weapon description says,. but i fight against Nids a lot.. So i want to know ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385242.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385540.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon LoS restrictions and you only get area terrain saves IIRC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385557.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
So, for example, if the target is a vehicle/tank on a hill, in ruins, or behind forest?

Does the same apply to a troop on a hill, in ruins, or behind a forest?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385651.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Forests, the bases of Ruins, a river, an area of rough ground, etc... These are possible examples.

But you have to be in the terrain to get the cover save, otherwise the 25% rule still applies. And vehicles don't get cover from just being in area terrain, they must be 25% covered.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385663.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon LOS i am basicly 100% covered yes?

But area terrain is enough for me,.. got lots of that! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385713.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5385735.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 Grey Templar wrote:

But you have to be in the terrain to get the cover save, otherwise the 25% rule still applies. And vehicles don't get cover from just being in area terrain, they must be 25% covered.


This is clear as mud to me. But then again I'm slow.

Do vehicles in area terrain not get a cover save?

Is the top of a hill area terrain? I understand LOS and if there is a hill between the impaler and the target, I would understand getting a cover save. But what if the target is on area terrain (hill) and LOS is not blocked?

Here are 4 different examples. #1 and #2 are in a 12"x12" ruined building (No LOS), #3 is on top of a hill (Has LOS), #4 is behind a wall (No LOS), and #5 is partially obscured by a wall (No LOS).

What is the cover save, if any, for each example?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5386998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5386998.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon gw FAQ but it was in polish... As were half of the other PDFs so I have no idea. If you can, look at your FAQ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387080.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Regards,

V]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387139.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 amrogers3 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:

But you have to be in the terrain to get the cover save, otherwise the 25% rule still applies. And vehicles don't get cover from just being in area terrain, they must be 25% covered.


This is clear as mud to me. But then again I'm slow.

1) Do vehicles in area terrain not get a cover save?

2) Is the top of a hill area terrain? I understand LOS and if there is a hill between the impaler and the target, I would understand getting a cover save. But what if the target is on area terrain (hill) and LOS is not blocked?

Here are 4 different examples. #1 and #2 are in a 12"x12" ruined building (No LOS), #3 is on top of a hill (Has LOS), #4 is behind a wall (No LOS), and #5 is partially obscured by a wall (No LOS).

What is the cover save, if any, for each example?


1) No, they must be 25% obscured to gain the cover save. Simply being in the terrain does nothing.

2) Only if you have predefined the hill as area terrain with your opponent. Normally hills are not area terrain, only providing LoS cover.


Targets 1 and 2 would get 5+ cover for being in the area terrain and being blocked 25% or more.

The other targets would get no saves at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387146.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
But you would need to in aria terain with the tank miniumum 25% covered. I do belive that would qualify withouth line of sight if the tank is in aria terain.

Minf you #4 and #5 could get a coversave as long as they where in base to base contact.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387195.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Dont ruins confer a 4+ save? So would #1 and #2 get a cover save for the ruins or for the hill?

Why does vehicle #4 or #5 need to touch to get a cover save?

So if they are in area terrain, they do not get a cover save? They have to be 25% obscured to get a cover save?

Also, why doesn't #4 get a cover save since it is obscured by the wall?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387321.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon LoS is blocked. But the Impaler Cannon ignores that. Thus the only save they can get is for being in the Ruins base(which is 5+ area terrain)

If the vehicle is 100% hidden from the Impaler cannon, the save does improve to 4+ due to the rule that if you can't see the facing a vehicle is in the save is improved by 1.


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 amrogers3 wrote:

Also, why doesn't #4 get a cover save since it is obscured by the wall?


Because Impaler cannons ignore LoS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387358.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 Grey Templar wrote:
 amrogers3 wrote:

Also, why doesn't #4 get a cover save since it is obscured by the wall?


Because Impaler cannons ignore LoS.

It's pretty simple, honestly...

Area terrain is things like a forest, crater, etc - stuff that isn't obscuring you or that you're just plain hiding behind like a ruin, wall, fence, etc. If you're inside of area terrain or touching LOS-blocking terrain, then you get your cover save. However, if the only way you'd be getting cover is because something is obscuring you or a special rule, Impaler Cannons ignore this.

And no, being out of LOS DOES NOT miraculously grant you cover from Impaler Cannons like the one fellow keeps trying to argue. Honestly, they're only 24" range, shouldn't be too difficult to avoid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387596.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon 1. You are in or touching a piece of terrain.
2. It lies between the Hive Guard and the vehicle.
3. That piece of terrain obscures 25% of the vehicle, ignoring all other terrain pieces.

Also, while you don't get cover saves from the Stealth or Shrouded special rules while in the open, if you would receive cover saves anyway (satisfying the three conditions above) they do add to the save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387695.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 PrinceRaven wrote:
Vehicles can only receive cover saves from Impaler Cannons if you satisfy three conditions:
1. You are in or touching a piece of terrain.
2. It lies between the Hive Guard and the vehicle.
3. That piece of terrain obscures 25% of the vehicle, ignoring all other terrain pieces.

Also, while you don't get cover saves from the Stealth or Shrouded special rules while in the open, if you would receive cover saves anyway (satisfying the three conditions above) they do add to the save.


This helps. Ok, so example #4 would not get a cover save because it would satisfy 2 and 3 but not 1,it is not touching the wall. If it is touching the wall, it would get a 5+ cover save, correct?

I thought area terrain did not provide a cover save to vehicles because they are so big, I do not have the rulebook in front of me so can't verify this. Could have swore I read this in the BRB though.

If area terrain does provide vehicle cover, would a tank in a forest receive cover save? It wouldn't necessarily be 25% obscured (ie, laying the tank on top of a green cloth you designate as forest) but it would be touching and would lie between Hive Guard and vehicle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387911.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
So being in a forest and 25% obscured gives you a 5+ cover. Being in and not 25% obscured gives you no cover.


All that together is why only 1 and 2 in your example pic get a cover save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5387916.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon
Then add in the requirement for 25% covered for vehicles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5388793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5388793.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 Grey Templar wrote:
So being in a forest and 25% obscured gives you a 5+ cover. Being in and not 25% obscured gives you no cover.


Since I cannot see the facing, does that incur a -1 cover save? So does #1 and #2 get a 3++ cover save (4++ for being in Ruins and -1 for not being able to see the facing)?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5390668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5390668.page GMT Re:Tyranids Impaler Cannon
 amrogers3 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
So being in a forest and 25% obscured gives you a 5+ cover. Being in and not 25% obscured gives you no cover.


Since I cannot see the facing, does that incur a -1 cover save? So does #1 and #2 get a 3++ cover save (4++ for being in Ruins and -1 for not being able to see the facing)?


Yes, it does increase the cover save by 1, but the guys in the ruin only recieve the 5+ save for being in area terrain.

If they were in base contact with a portion of the ruin walls(which is what gives the 4+ cover) thy would get the 4+ for the ruins.

both saves would be improved by 1 if the Hive Guard can't see the facing it is in. So 4+ if not in BtB with a ruin wall and a 3+ if it is in BtB.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5390678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5390678.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon faq.
U get cs only if you are in or touching it. And...impaler as well ignore jink. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5395761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5395761.page GMT Tyranids Impaler Cannon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5395846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513799/5395846.page GMT