<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Are Vargheists viable?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Are Vargheists viable? VC already has enough glass cannons and so I'm wondering if there is a place for these flying beasts. I think they would work well in a magic heavy list as you could regen a wound every time a spell is cast but it's a bit gimmicky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447164.page GMT Re:Are Vargheists viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447537.page GMT Are Vargheists viable? VC army they are viable, but they are one of the harder ones to make work imo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5447730.page GMT Re:Are Vargheists viable?
Tarval wrote:
I guess you use them as they should be used and or build a list around them. That way they are in range of some type of IoN plus other spells to push them forward. That and putting something else out on the board to cause havoc. That way the enemy will focus on said unit instead of the varg...

I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

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HawaiiMatt wrote:
Tarval wrote:
I guess you use them as they should be used and or build a list around them. That way they are in range of some type of IoN plus other spells to push them forward. That and putting something else out on the board to cause havoc. That way the enemy will focus on said unit instead of the varg...

I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

-Matt

Hmm that's actually a very good idea, might have to borrow that one.


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HawaiiMatt wrote:
Tarval wrote:
I guess you use them as they should be used and or build a list around them. That way they are in range of some type of IoN plus other spells to push them forward. That and putting something else out on the board to cause havoc. That way the enemy will focus on said unit instead of the varg...

I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

-Matt



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BaconUprising wrote:
HawaiiMatt wrote:
Tarval wrote:
I guess you use them as they should be used and or build a list around them. That way they are in range of some type of IoN plus other spells to push them forward. That and putting something else out on the board to cause havoc. That way the enemy will focus on said unit instead of the varg...

I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

-Matt

Hmm that's actually a very good idea, might have to borrow that one.




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BaconUprising wrote:
HawaiiMatt wrote:
Tarval wrote:
I guess you use them as they should be used and or build a list around them. That way they are in range of some type of IoN plus other spells to push them forward. That and putting something else out on the board to cause havoc. That way the enemy will focus on said unit instead of the varg...

I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

-Matt

Hmm that's actually a very good idea, might have to borrow that one.





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HawaiiMatt wrote:
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I'm going to park 4 behind my center in my next game. That will let my fly over my own units can charge units trying to sneak in on my flanks. It will also keep them very close to my casters for invoke.
In the past I haven't been a fan, but I'll be running them with crypt horrors and black knights, so they might be worth holding back and then supporting these anvils.

-Matt


Most disappointing unit. I not yet had them do anything of value. T4 naked is too much to overcome. S5 is good, but it isn't quite enough.
They don't hit hard enough to win by weight of attacks, and being T4 naked they give up enough combat res that they where they are crumbling.
If anyone has any idea on how to run them with any degree of reliable success I'd love to hear how. So far, the best use I've had for them is flying around and not going into combat. Make my opponent think that they are a threat, but never actually commit to combat, else you lose them, and lose the effect of your opponent trying to deal with them. Basically, they are tau stealth suits.

Even hitting a unit in a flank just results in a combat reform and then a bunch of dead Vargheists.
Vampires can warmachines hunt for a lot cheaper than ~150 to ~200 points.
IMO, vargheists need WS5 Init5, or some type of save.

-Matt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5451583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5451583.page GMT Are Vargheists viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5451840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5451840.page GMT Are Vargheists viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5461228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5461228.page GMT Are Vargheists viable? VP's]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5461577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517280/5461577.page GMT Are Vargheists viable?
Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Their pretty scary in units of 7+, less then that and your basicaly just giving easy VP's

When I tried running big units, I found that the lack of save and higher unit value made them worse. A 138 point unit might get ignored for a turn or two.
A 378 point unit doe not get ignored.
Anything Init 5 was putting too big of a dent into them.
Not having a standard, musician and unable to get ranks hurt them too, it's just another slap in the face.
Losing 378 points to dark elf spearmen makes me a sad panda.
God forbid you go up against chaos warriors.

Swap frenzy for hatred, and bump to Init 5, they are worth 46 points.
With the chance for forcing the charge, and init 5 being a pretty hard counter for them, they are too often not worth 46 points.

-Matt

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