Goat wrote:
There are different ways to play the book but the one constent is, Heldrakes pwn. You can play gunline with CSM, you can go assaulty or a mix. If you want to run mono god, you pigeon hole yourself into a list that isn't strong IMO. I don't personally bring plague marines but I respect what they do. I run noise marines, a khorne lord but no bezerkers. I take nurgle oblits and heldrakes. You can put the most useful mark on a unit depending on the job you want them to do. On the troop decesion, me personally again, I fill my list with power units and see what I have for troops at the end. My gameplan is to get first blood and kill all your troops no matter the cost, because I know the CSM book has some lame ducks for troop choices.

There are different ways to play the book but the one constent is, Heldrakes pwn. You can play gunline with CSM, you can go assaulty or a mix. If you want to run mono god, you pigeon hole yourself into a list that isn't strong IMO. I don't personally bring plague marines but I respect what they do. I run noise marines, a khorne lord but no bezerkers. I take nurgle oblits and heldrakes. You can put the most useful mark on a unit depending on the job you want them to do. On the troop decesion, me personally again, I fill my list with power units and see what I have for troops at the end. My gameplan is to get first blood and kill all your troops no matter the cost, because I know the CSM book has some lame ducks for troop choices.

Tycho wrote:

There are different ways to play the book but the one constent is, Heldrakes pwn. You can play gunline with CSM, you can go assaulty or a mix. If you want to run mono god, you pigeon hole yourself into a list that isn't strong IMO. I don't personally bring plague marines but I respect what they do. I run noise marines, a khorne lord but no bezerkers. I take nurgle oblits and heldrakes. You can put the most useful mark on a unit depending on the job you want them to do. On the troop decesion, me personally again, I fill my list with power units and see what I have for troops at the end. My gameplan is to get first blood and kill all your troops no matter the cost, because I know the CSM book has some lame ducks for troop choices.

I've been coming to the same conclusion myself lately. My standard list has had anywhere from 30 to 40 chaos marines in it (usually 1500 and 1850pts.) and they almost always under perform. I feel like the new way to go is almost a lot like Eldar have to do. Figure out a job you want done and customize a unit to do that as best as you possibly can. Each unit ends up being great at one specific thing and terrible at everything else but when you can coordinate everything on the battle field it makes for a hard army to beat.

I see so many templates and all I can think is shoot shoot shoot. I just dunno what I can do about outshooting guard or when they make it to my line. Should I have termis? Should I have serkers hiding in wait? The seem so weak in melee =/

 Jancoran wrote:
Mobile CSM forces are pretty cool.

Steed of Slaanesh with Chaos Lord.

Huron BlackHeart

Start with them and you will have an excellent amount of mobiliy in the force.

As for how to build the army around them, there's a lot of good options.

I did a Cut-specific rundown which might help you decide. Here's a link to the Nurgle Cult feature, which in turn has links to the other cult rundowns:
http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/03/6th-edition-chaos-space-marine-cults.html

My opinion is that the codex can morph to any play type. Chosen and Havocs for tons of Dakka. You can feature helbrutes, Spawn, Huge CSM units, Khornate berzerkers and Mutilators for melee armies. You can choose a more balanced approach using sheer numbers that translates well in melee AND shooting.

Lots of good options.

Nurgle WAS a big favorite for a while becaue of the Epidemius silliness, but that's now been nerf'd. So I think the door is wide open now.

 Jancoran wrote:
If you want a NASTY gunline that can take punishment well, Slaanesh is excellent. You can own three units of those and not regret the investment. FANTASTIC weapons options, and their banner allows them an order of protection.

Such a listy is well served by tough blocker typwe units to keep the good times rolling from those crazy Slaaneshi guns.

 Jancoran wrote:
"overpriced" is a word we need to take out and SHOOT dead. But I digress. Did you read the slaaaneshi article I wrote? If not, you should.

Ultimately an army DOES REAL damage from select places. Those are the things most valuable to you. Protecting them is a priority. So whether throuh reserves, infiltrating or just patience and hiding, you should be able to cut off threats to tyourt true hammers and they're all expendable as blockers so you dont have to get fancy.

 Gharron wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
"overpriced" is a word we need to take out and SHOOT dead. But I digress. Did you read the slaaaneshi article I wrote? If not, you should.

Ultimately an army DOES REAL damage from select places. Those are the things most valuable to you. Protecting them is a priority. So whether throuh reserves, infiltrating or just patience and hiding, you should be able to cut off threats to tyourt true hammers and they're all expendable as blockers so you dont have to get fancy.

I've been looking at 2 heldrakes with 7 bikers and a khorne lord on juggernaut. 2 units of noise marines a blob of CSM termis some pie plates I'm still not sure on rhinos? I just feel like they're going to end up wasting VP more than giving them to me...I like the banner that gives fearless but I also like slaanesh to give the fnp and initiative bonus =/ The best and worst thing are the "here's 34 million options try em all!" With my grey knights it was 1 of 3 builds now with these guys it's almost like "Play what you want and enjoy it and you still might win." I like oblits and I like forgefiends. I like noise marines as well. I just dunno numbers or marks or icons it's all so crazy and fun!

 Jancoran wrote:

 Gharron wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
"overpriced" is a word we need to take out and SHOOT dead. But I digress. Did you read the slaaaneshi article I wrote? If not, you should.

Ultimately an army DOES REAL damage from select places. Those are the things most valuable to you. Protecting them is a priority. So whether throuh reserves, infiltrating or just patience and hiding, you should be able to cut off threats to tyourt true hammers and they're all expendable as blockers so you dont have to get fancy.

I've been looking at 2 heldrakes with 7 bikers and a khorne lord on juggernaut. 2 units of noise marines a blob of CSM termis some pie plates I'm still not sure on rhinos? I just feel like they're going to end up wasting VP more than giving them to me...I like the banner that gives fearless but I also like slaanesh to give the fnp and initiative bonus =/ The best and worst thing are the "here's 34 million options try em all!" With my grey knights it was 1 of 3 builds now with these guys it's almost like "Play what you want and enjoy it and you still might win." I like oblits and I like forgefiends. I like noise marines as well. I just dunno numbers or marks or icons it's all so crazy and fun!

2 Heldrakes is generally considered a very competitive component to a list, so if you go that route, i am sure you will be rewarded.
Rhinos are far more valuable than they seem. The mobility is very important because of the Flat out movement possibility. A roun 1 rush of two or three rhinos can really put you into excellent denial position.

The thing to recall is that althouh the first rhino will be a priority because the enemy wants first blood, the second and third will probably not be. What with Predators, vindicators, Helbrutes and other nasties littering the field of battle and in sore need of DEATH, it is hard for the enemy to justify going after lowly rhinos before these other threeats are handled, so often it is just one rhino that gets a fair amount of sattention before the enemy looks to other targets. and as rouns go on, itbecomes pogresively harder to shoot at them.

That isn't to say they wont get shot. But what I am saying is, you lose little when they die. if its a KP mission, theres only ONE of 6 missions that concerns itself with Rhino kills and in that mission, you can always reserve them if you aren't certain.

Food for thought.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I've seen an army with 3 Helldrakes and 3 Maulerfiends doing well in an RTT, only loosing vs. Necrons.

 Gharron wrote:

Then that makes berserkers seem a bit more...potent? I could have them as mid field blockers with my big guns shall I say, never tiring
It opens up a lot of fast response but giving the first VP just always seems sketchy lol but with all the big toys I have they're going to end up shooting all of my smaller units first and for armies like deathwing I wanna tarpit them and keep blasting at. S10 templates are hard to be mad about...hmm, and they do get smoke launchers with a flat out....I could also put noise marines in it and use it as a mobile gunblind...ugh! So many choices!

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The codex is pretty much Codex: Nurgle

Slaanesh comes in a second place, but it still doesn't compare generally.

Tzeentch is the worst in the book.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The codex is pretty much Codex: Nurgle

Slaanesh comes in a second place, but it still doesn't compare generally.

Tzeentch is the worst in the book.

 Jancoran wrote:
I dont know about everyone but you can start with mine, since I so recently did that series on Chaos Cults.

feel free to scope it out. Its called 40KUnorthodoxy

JWhex wrote:
Heldrakes are obviously a great unit but it will be interesting to see just how many people ally with Tau for AAA.

You mentioned a demon prince with wings, just be wary of the fact that flying MC are grounded when hit by anything, even weapons that have no possibility of wounding them.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

JWhex wrote:
Heldrakes are obviously a great unit but it will be interesting to see just how many people ally with Tau for AAA.

You mentioned a demon prince with wings, just be wary of the fact that flying MC are grounded when hit by anything, even weapons that have no possibility of wounding them.

Tzeentch DP gets 3+/5++ with re roll on 1's, grounded needs them to hit on 6's then you need to roll a 1 or 2.... it happens just, not with every hit (66% chance to pass the test) also its not rolled ONCE per unit that hits it.. not once per hit it takes

 Gharron wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

JWhex wrote:
Heldrakes are obviously a great unit but it will be interesting to see just how many people ally with Tau for AAA.

You mentioned a demon prince with wings, just be wary of the fact that flying MC are grounded when hit by anything, even weapons that have no possibility of wounding them.

Tzeentch DP gets 3+/5++ with re roll on 1's, grounded needs them to hit on 6's then you need to roll a 1 or 2.... it happens just, not with every hit (66% chance to pass the test) also its not rolled ONCE per unit that hits it.. not once per hit it takes

I just finished putting my daemon prince together and now I get to decide how I want to deck him out. I also put a power axe and a combi weapon on my termi lord. Then I need to work on my set of termis and my tac marines...which is a whole new beast =/