<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Space Marine question"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Space Marine question
I ask because I'm a writing a Space Wolf story and it talks about his pre-Astartes life. How much of that would he remember?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566111.page GMT Re:Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566289.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566302.page GMT Re:Space Marine question
The bottom line is that Space Marines go through an intense brainwashing regimen as part of their transformation into Astartes. The whole process, of course, varies greatly according to chapter, but most Marines do not have clear, accurate memories of their former lives. This memory loss can be intentional or incidental, depending on the chapter involved, and be due to psychological, chemical, or physical processes, in addition to the possibility of some other option.

Soul Hunter (Aaron Dembski-Bowden) and Salamander (Nick Kyme) both deal with marines who must confront their pasts.

I think that the Space Wolves are probably less purposeful when it comes to supressing the memories of their recruits. The intense chemical and surgical regimens can (and probably do) supress or muddle some of their memories, but I would imagine that they would be largely intact.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566390.page GMT Space Marine question
There are exceptions to the rule depending on chapter and special circumstances (like the brothers situation), but for the average Marine from the average codex chapter it's pretty close.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566453.page GMT Space Marine question HH novels the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, often spoke about their home world Cthonia, even to the extent of noting smells and sights that reminded them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566498.page GMT Space Marine question
 washout77 wrote:
On top of what has been said before, mind you that Astartes don't have much of a life before they become Astartes.
Indeed . Probably their only real accomplishments before becoming a marine is passing the trials to become a marine. The ones who HAVE done more than that are exceptional.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566511.page GMT Space Marine question
Eldercaveman wrote:
In the early HH novels the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, often spoke about their home world Cthonia, even to the extent of noting smells and sights that reminded them.


Garro also had a faint memory of his childhood on Terra in "Flight of the Eisenstein".

But then, becoming a Space Marine is, to all effects, being made anew. They're given heightened senses, and the ability to quickly process and store vast ammounts of sensorial and cognitive data, in a body that barely feels the strains of time. As newer, more intense experiences pile up and displace older memories, those become hazy, dreamlike snippets that eventually fade. They probably remember their lives before becoming Astartes like a grown man remembers his toddler years. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566641.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566651.page GMT Space Marine question lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566746.page GMT Space Marine question
Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
Excellent news. I ask because my character talks about having a pregnant wife before becoming a space wolf. Later in the story he finds an imperial guard officer with his last name and his red hair.


Yeah they are usually taken at childhood, as the older a person gets the less likely they are to take to the implants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5566938.page GMT Space Marine question
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In a medieval or feral world culture, marriages often occurred an children were produced from 13 up.

So it is possible he was taken at 15 or 16 with a 14 to 16 year old pregnant wife ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5567189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5567189.page GMT Re:Space Marine question
http://images3.alphacoders.com/474/1280-1024-4745.jpg]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5567198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5567198.page GMT Space Marine question
 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Space Marines are usually taken in early adolescence between the ages of 12 and 16.
The fluff actually suggests that it's more like 8-12(and as young as 6 for some chapters) since the first implants need to be done in the 10-12 range and obviously they don't just pick them up off the street and start jamming stuff in them.. A 16 year old has already missed the window.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/c/c8/SMCreation.jpg
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ragnar_Blackmane#.UYF_bjbn-Uk]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5569669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5569669.page GMT Space Marine question
Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
The Space Wolf Novel's suggest that Ragnar was selected after fighting in battle. I have a bit of a hard time believing that he fought in his first battle at 8. So maybe 14?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ragnar_Blackmane#.UYF_bjbn-Uk


At least, but Space Wolves recruits along with the Sons of Dorn more likely are older, or hit puberty quite early. Though it gets a bit squicky thinking Lukas the Trickster bedding a dozen women in one night before his balls should realistically drop.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5569759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5569759.page GMT Space Marine question SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571614.page GMT Space Marine question
Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
The Space Wolf Novel's suggest that Ragnar was selected after fighting in battle. I have a bit of a hard time believing that he fought in his first battle at 8. So maybe 14?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ragnar_Blackmane#.UYF_bjbn-Uk


Fenris is friggin' brutal, eight year olds being forced to fight in warfare would not surprise me at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571656.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571674.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5571842.page GMT Space Marine question
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


The whole background and premise of W40K is supposed to be dark and disturbing, not all pink and fluffy and nice. It's just a pity the fluff had been toned down and adopted for a more mainstream and possibly younger audience.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572194.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572268.page GMT Space Marine question
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


Seems more like they don't discuss them period (the creation of Space Marines that is).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5572298.page GMT Space Marine question
 farmersboy wrote:
The whole background and premise of W40K is supposed to be dark and disturbing, not all pink and fluffy and nice. It's just a pity the fluff had been toned down and adopted for a more mainstream and possibly younger audience.
If it's been "toned down" for a younger audience, why haven't they removed the pederastic undertones yet?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5575006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5575006.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5575678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5575678.page GMT Space Marine question
 Void__Dragon wrote:
Which are?


Indeed, I think I've missed them too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5576410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5576410.page GMT Space Marine question I'll PM it instead.]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5576877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5576877.page GMT Re:Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577238.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577258.page GMT Space Marine question
Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
I got a lore question for you guys. From what I understand, space marines usually have their pre-Astartes memory completely wiped, but then you have stuff like the James Swollow Blood Angels novel, where Rafen and Arkio are brother and remember that their brothers. Shouldn't they no know they are brothers if they got a memory wipe?

I ask because I'm a writing a Space Wolf story and it talks about his pre-Astartes life. How much of that would he remember?

Mindwiping usually only occurs when neccesary, as it can remove experiences from which the person learned. Many SM's are taken from hostile environments, because it would have trained their minds and bodies to survive better, and as such, mindwiping would not be beneficial.

It can occur, however, that a marine simply forgets his past, buried under decades or centuries of war.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577270.page GMT Re:Space Marine question
 Grey Templar wrote:
Those undertones are only there if you are looking for them. I highly doubt they are in any way deliberate.
They were plainly obvious just from reading the lore as GW presented it, and I saw them the first time I read through the lore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5577335.page GMT Space Marine question PM Melissia. I think you're reading too much into it, and from a biological aspect it makes sense to begin enhancing a body before puberty has done it for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5578300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5578300.page GMT Space Marine question
They could have used any number of things. But they used THOSE terms instead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5578363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5578363.page GMT Space Marine question
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5579691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5579691.page GMT Space Marine question
 Selym wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?


I want some, I want some!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580250.page GMT Space Marine question
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?


I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580257.page GMT Space Marine question GK mind wipe and Blood Ravens simply lose their memory altogether. Other than that no.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580265.page GMT Space Marine question
 Selym wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?


I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)


The forbidden fruit, one could say.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580304.page GMT Space Marine question
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?


I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)


The forbidden fruit, one could say.


Mmmmm.....

Forbidden fruit...
*Drool*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5580308.page GMT Space Marine question
 Selym wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 Selym wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.


What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?


I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)


The forbidden fruit, one could say.


Mmmmm.....

Forbidden fruit...
*Drool*

my thoughts exactly.
The forbidden fruit is always the sweetest]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5583732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5583732.page GMT Space Marine question 40k fluff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5584969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5584969.page GMT Re:Space Marine question
The various chapters, which are made up of old men, go and find prepubescent young boys and through a vigorous regime of mental and physical conditioning turn them into more Space Marines. The highlight of which is the insertion of the chapter's Geneseed into these recruits.


While it is there if you look for it, it don't think there is any sinister motivation. Its no more pederastic due to the wording than wrestling is homoerotic in and of itself because it used to be such to the Greeks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5584999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5584999.page GMT Space Marine question
 Grey Templar wrote:
You do have to put 2 and 2 together.

The various chapters, which are made up of old men, go and find prepubescent young boys and through a vigorous regime of mental and physical conditioning turn them into more Space Marines. The highlight of which is the insertion of the chapter's Geneseed into these recruits.


If that really is what is being talked about, I don't see how that is in any way pederastic. Pederasty heavily emphasizes the homoerotic nature of the relationship, which is not at all present in Space Marine conditioning. Geneseed isn't any kind of reproductive fluid, it's the genetic material that contains the components that allow for the production of the inhuman organs contained in Space Marines. There is no eroticism involved in Space Marine creation, so how can it be compared to pederasty? I don't get where that is coming from, at all. Seems a bit of a stretch. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5585033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5585033.page GMT Re:Space Marine question
Although Geneseed is reproductive in nature. A single progenoid is used to make a marine, who in turn makes 2 new progenoids. So yes it is reproductive in nature. Its not a fluid or similar to any sort of normal reproduction, but it could be seen as a "suggestive medium".

In universe it is certainly NOT pederasty. Nor do I think its deliberate. I do think you could definitely see it, but only if you are trying to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5585053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5585053.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5586017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5586017.page GMT Space Marine question
 Void__Dragon wrote:
If Graham McNeill is writing it, it is certainly homoerotic. Everything he writes is.

He has always set the bar for me for 40k fiction.... I now realize my whole life has been a lie. Thank you for clearing this up Void.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5586655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5586655.page GMT Space Marine question http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5587867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5587867.page GMT Space Marine question
Furthermore, they are led by Indrick Baldeale, the most incompetent SPESS MUHREEN in the BLUHD REHVENS ever to use STEHL REHN!

And now you know.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5587888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5587888.page GMT Space Marine question
 Void__Dragon wrote:
Why has your whole life been a lie?

Ahh just a joke. Ignore me ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5591292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524326/5591292.page GMT