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For those of you tuning into the next Miss World beauty pageant looking to see some babes in bikinis, well, you're out of luck.
Organizers for the annual event, taking place this September in Bali, will be asking the 137 women competing to trade their two-pieces in for more conservative attire like sarongs for the beach fashion part of the show.
The move comes in an effort to not offend those in Muslim-majority Indonesia following protests from certain Muslim groups, CBS News reports.
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"I don't want to upset or get anyone in a situation where we are being disrespectful," Miss World Organization chairwoman Julia Morley told Australia's Herald Sun. "We treasure respect for all the countries that take part in the pageant."
Last year, Lady Gaga was forced to cancel her concert in Jakarta after protestors from a religious group called the pop star "a messenger of the devil," claiming her "pornographic" dance moves and barely-there outfits would destroy the country's morals.
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Wikipedia wrote:In the 2000 census about 92.29% of Bali's population adhered to Balinese Hinduism while most of the remainder follow Islam.


While it's being hosted in Bali...

Wikipedia wrote:Although it is not an Islamic state, Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation, with 87.2% of Indonesians being Muslim according to the 2010 census


...considering the massive Muslim majority, it seems like a sensible/fair thing to do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708129.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Cultivate a culture which will kill people over your offense and you'll find out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708238.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 daedalus wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Cultivate a culture which will kill people over your offense and you'll find out.


Hrmm... your onto something there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708307.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708727.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Medium of Death wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:In the 2000 census about 92.29% of Bali's population adhered to Balinese Hinduism while most of the remainder follow Islam.


While it's being hosted in Bali...

Wikipedia wrote:Although it is not an Islamic state, Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation, with 87.2% of Indonesians being Muslim according to the 2010 census


...considering the massive Muslim majority, it seems like a sensible/fair thing to do.


Thank you for beating me to it. Indonesia is hosting the damn thing... it's only fair they can make a call like this. Of course, from next year onwards, anything's game.
That being said. ...anyone know if Femen are aware of this yet...? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5708973.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709001.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709012.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709112.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709133.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Planning on any huge protests, massive boycotts or acts of violence?

Then why should they care?

On a related note, so they still do Miss World huh? It seems so like 1970s.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709247.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
Last year, Lady Gaga was forced to cancel her concert in Jakarta after protestors from a religious group called the pop star "a messenger of the devil," claiming her "pornographic" dance moves and barely-there outfits would destroy the country's morals.


A fair rap. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709392.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709517.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Planning on any huge protests, massive boycotts or acts of violence?

Then why should they care?

On a related note, so they still do Miss World huh? It seems so like 1970s.


If Japanese women dress up like American supermodels, is it racist?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709699.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709722.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
That doesn't change the fact the the veneer they're trying to smear upon themselves annoys me.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In retrospect, that might have been an amusing mischoice of words...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5709731.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710058.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710093.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 MetalOxide wrote:
Religion should stay in places of worship. I hate it when people try to impose their religious values on someone else.


What about forcing ones secular values on someone else?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710109.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


PM me and I can send you a ticket to an Internet site with pictures of women in bikins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710190.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Planning on any huge protests, massive boycotts or acts of violence?

Then why should they care?

On a related note, so they still do Miss World huh? It seems so like 1970s.


Agreed. they obviously confused me with someone who gave a damn.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 MetalOxide wrote:
Religion should stay in places of worship. I hate it when people try to impose their religious values on someone else.


Its moral values youngin. M World is effectively trying to do that to them. Have you never heard of the "when in Rome" phrase? (not the band). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710243.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I don't know why the organisers are surprised. They pick a conservative Muslim country to hold Miss World. A country that covers women up isn't going to be the best one to encourage stripping down to very little for a contest based on female objectification.


This +1.

The only thing I can think of that would be dafter to hold there would be a camra campaign.
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PredaKhaine wrote:
 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I don't know why the organisers are surprised. They pick a conservative Muslim country to hold Miss World. A country that covers women up isn't going to be the best one to encourage stripping down to very little for a contest based on female objectification.


This +1.

The only thing I can think of that would be dafter to hold there would be a camra campaign.


What about a beer festival?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710294.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710314.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Super Ready wrote:
Same thing, SilverMK2. Try actually googling "camra".


I assumed you typod "camera" and was wondering what the hell you were talking about.

Can i safely google it at work?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710359.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710378.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 SilverMK2 wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
Same thing, SilverMK2. Try actually googling "camra".


I assumed you typod "camera" and was wondering what the hell you were talking about.

Can i safely google it at work?


Probably...depends whether your employer is an ass. It's "CAMpaign for Real Ale".
...they run beer and ale festivals. Hell of a guess, huh? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710417.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
Though it does seem stupid to host the show in such a (religious) country anyway, knowing what things need doing and the organisers would be stupid not to expect a reaction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710487.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710487.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I remain committed to opposing fascism in all it's forms, including when it masquerades as a religion.


Its not religion, its culture you imperialist running capitalist dog!
Its their culture. You saying their culture is wrong in this area is cultural imperialism you imperialist you.

You know calling a Brit an Imperialist, even in jest, seems more like a complement than an insult.

Poor oppressed native: GO home you imperalist.
Brit tourist: (images of Brittania Rex flashes in his head); Thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710508.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I remain committed to opposing fascism in all it's forms, including when it masquerades as a religion.


Its not religion, its culture you imperialist running capitalist dog!
Its their culture. You saying their culture is wrong in this area is cultural imperialism you imperialist you.

You know calling a Brit an Imperialist, even in jest, seems more like a complement than an insult.

Poor oppressed native: GO home you imperalist.
Brit tourist: (images of Brittania Rex flashes in his head); Thanks!


It's not culture, it's control. I sincerely doubt that the vast majority of the indonesian people gives a flying fart about there being women in bikinis or not. But more extremist and more vocal groups (emphasis on vocal) can use the religious card with a fair amount of impunity in order to impose their point of view to the larger society. The fascism analogy is really not that far off.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710635.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710694.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
Strangely, I bet if they came to your country to tell you what to do, you'd be offended by that.

I'm portuguese. In the past few years, our lives over here have been doing whatever the the IMF, the Eurogroup and the European Central Bank tell us to do. But I digress.
Nobody went there and told them what to do, quite the opposite. Someone told the organization that the evil bikinis woul put society upside down and the organization bended over like a tired old whore.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710754.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Strangely, I bet if they came to your country to tell you what to do, you'd be offended by that.

I'm portuguese. In the past few years, our lives over here have been doing whatever the the IMF, the Eurogroup and the European Central Bank tell us to do. But I digress.
Nobody went there and told them what to do, quite the opposite. Someone told the organization that the evil bikinis woul put society upside down and the organization bended over like a tired old whore.

Cheers!


And you're basically calling them bad for expressing their beliefs. Thats mighty white of you.
If you don't like it, don't go there, don't have your beauty contest there. And whats up with beauty contests? Seriously? its 2013 not 1958. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710808.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 daedalus wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Planning on any huge protests, massive boycotts or acts of violence?

Then why should they care?

On a related note, so they still do Miss World huh? It seems so like 1970s.


If Japanese women dress up like American supermodels, is it racist?


No. But how your reply relevant?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710911.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Strangely, I bet if they came to your country to tell you what to do, you'd be offended by that.

I'm portuguese. In the past few years, our lives over here have been doing whatever the the IMF, the Eurogroup and the European Central Bank tell us to do. But I digress.
Nobody went there and told them what to do, quite the opposite. Someone told the organization that the evil bikinis woul put society upside down and the organization bended over like a tired old whore.

Cheers!


And you're basically calling them bad for expressing their beliefs. Thats mighty white of you.
If you don't like it, don't go there, don't have your beauty contest there. And whats up with beauty contests? Seriously? its 2013 not 1958.


As a matter of fact my complexion is indeed in the pale pinkish side of the colour spectrum. Should I perchance be ashamed of it? Big'ol honky going back to the evil ways of the age of plunder (incidentally, it was we the portuguese who began said age)? So you're telling me that a beach tourism destination like Indonesia (and more specifically the hindu Bali) is a place where bikinis are a thing only imagined in the minds of foreign (and let's not forget white) devils? I do agree that beauty pageants are something that should be only remembered with embarassement. But here's the thing: I too have beliefs. Like the belief that this whole thing was just a way for certain political groups to show up as strong enough to make an international organization kow-tow to their whims. I also share a belief with a long deceased person:
"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
His name was George Washington.

Cheers!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710917.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia -Giap.

"Do you want to know the last thing the last Glarg said before he died? ARGGHHHH!"
-Ambassador Molari of the Centauri Republic

I love quotes.
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 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
As a matter of fact my complexion is indeed in the pale pinkish side of the colour spectrum. Should I perchance be ashamed of it?


Today's lesson in English Idioms: "Mighty white of you".

Originally used under colonialism and before civil rights, this phrase expressed appreciation for honorable or gracious behavior, under the assumption that white people were inherently more virtuous. Today, it is generally used sarcastically in reference to underwhelming acts of generosity.

Example

Lounge Lizard: I gave that homeless man my half eaten apple.
Frazzled: Wow, thats mighty white of you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710955.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
"Die Imperialist Dog"
-Giap.

"Do you want to know the last thing the last Glarg said before he died? ARGGHHHH!"
-Ambassador Molari of the Centauri Republic

I love quotes.


I think the Napoleon of Asia was somewhat less graphic in his language, and I also remember Molari right before he died, and the reason he died...
Yours my firend is the worst type of racism. For you to say it was "very white of me" was not a racist remark in your mind because you were talking about white people and their nefarious demons. I'm not holding that against you: it's an all too common thing in this day and age. But please, PLEASE spend the time to dwell on this.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710967.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 ChocolateGork wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Well.... this offends me. So what are they going to do about that?


Planning on any huge protests, massive boycotts or acts of violence?

Then why should they care?

On a related note, so they still do Miss World huh? It seems so like 1970s.


If Japanese women dress up like American supermodels, is it racist?


No. But how your reply relevant?


He's channelling Proud Asian 126.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710983.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Ahtman wrote:
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
As a matter of fact my complexion is indeed in the pale pinkish side of the colour spectrum. Should I perchance be ashamed of it?


Today's lesson in English Idioms: "Mighty white of you".

Originally used under colonialism and before civil rights, this phrase expressed appreciation for honorable or gracious behavior, under the assumption that white people were inherently more virtuous. Today, it is generally used sarcastically in reference to underwhelming acts of generosity.

Example

Lounge Lizard: I gave that homeless man my half eaten apple.
Frazzled: Wow, thats mighty white of you.


ahah give that man an apple!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5710984.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
Yours my firend is the worst type of racism. For you to say it was "very white of me" was not a racist remark in your mind because you were talking about white people and their nefarious demons.


And your desire to jump to racism without looking at the context of the situation doesn't seem to make you much better. If I had to guess he didn't think of how it would sound to someone unfamiliar with the idiom and you are jumping straight to racism without thinking it through. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711000.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
"Die Imperialist Dog"
-Giap.

"Do you want to know the last thing the last Glarg said before he died? ARGGHHHH!"
-Ambassador Molari of the Centauri Republic

I love quotes.


I think the Napoleon of Asia was somewhat less graphic in his language, and I also remember Molari right before he died, and the reason he died...
Yours my firend is the worst type of racism. For you to say it was "very white of me" was not a racist remark in your mind because you were talking about white people and their nefarious demons. I'm not holding that against you: it's an all too common thing in this day and age. But please, PLEASE spend the time to dwell on this.

Cheers!


-A man speaks with his actions. Leading or being in three wars against the foreign devil (Japan, France, US) kind of proves my quote.
-Molari was speaking about another race, not his. From the First season (where he ends up drunk crawling along the table making jokes - epic).
-You're calling me a racist when you're the one opining that other people are bad for adhering to their culture in their own country, while exhibiting all the traits of White Man's Burden? Thats at least a green belt level of mental judo right there. Slonshal!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711003.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Kilkrazy wrote:
He's channelling Proud Asian 126.


Aren't we all really? I like to think there is a little Proud Asian 126 in all of us.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711004.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Ahtman wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
He's channelling Proud Asian 126.


Aren't we all really? I like to think there is a little Proud Asian 126 in all of us.


That could be way misinterpreted, and with luck Kronk will be along shortly to do just that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711011.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
So, you're saying that these hypotetical dialogues:

"Frazzled: I stuck it to the man!
Lounge Lizard: Wow! that was mighty black of you!"

or:

"Frazzled: I sure like my rice!
Lounge Lizard: Wow! that's mighty yellow of you!"

would be OK?
Because frankly I'm a bit confused here.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711013.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
My native language is Portuguese, and my english skills are more focused on brittish english.

So, you're saying that these hypotetical dialogues:

"Frazzled: I stuck it to the man!
Lounge Lizard: Wow! that was mighty black of you!"

In the words of the immortal bard: Jane you ignorant slut!
You would say "thats mighty hippy of you."


"Frazzled: I sure like my rice!
Lounge Lizard: Wow! that's mighty yellow of you!"

?
Rice is eaten all over the world. I was raised eating rice nearly every day of my life. Er...what?


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 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
My native language is Portuguese, and my english skills are more focused on brittish english.


Which is why I put a definition up above. Idioms can be tricky, and sometimes it can be forgotten that not everyone shares the same phrases, even among people speaking the same language. "Mighty white of you" is a very American phrase that doesn't translate well outside the culture. And no, you can't just replace the ethnicity and get the same effect. It is a peculiar bit of sarcasm coming from a distinct time and place in American history. On such a mixed board where everyone is using English in some capacity it is easy to slip into our own colloquialisms and speech patterns. In and of itself there is nothing wrong with that, as it is how people talk. The trick is in realizing it afterward and explaining the issue, but it is also on the reader to recognize they may be misunderstanding something, and not jump to conclusions so easily about the poster either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711051.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
Also its much more fun to claim racism when you don't get something.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711052.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
1: I do not believe this is primarily a cultural issue. Some pressure groups used this as a way to promote their domestic political agenda. And guess what: it worked.
2: I do not believe that Frazzled is in any way a racist, but sometimes we should think a little more about what we say, and the whole white guilt trip thing is, in essence, a form of racism.
3: This horse is so dead not even the vultures will touch it.

That being said, cheers and peace out! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711065.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
1: I do not believe this is primarily a cultural issue. Some pressure groups used this as a way to promote their domestic political agenda. And guess what: it worked.


I agree.

 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
sometimes we should think a little more about what we say


As long as you are including yourself in that statement as well, I will agree.

 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
and the whole white guilt trip thing is, in essence, a form of racism.


There was no 'white guilt' thing. That is not what the idiom is about.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711081.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
This is veering off-topic fast, so to sum it up:

1: I do not believe this is primarily a cultural issue. Some pressure groups used this as a way to promote their domestic political agenda. And guess what: it worked.
2: I do not believe that Frazzled is in any way a racist, but sometimes we should think a little more about what we say, and the whole white guilt trip thing is, in essence, a form of racism.
3: This horse is so dead not even the vultures will touch it.

That being said, cheers and peace out!


No the phrase was perfectly appropriate. Its a responsive statement to people making arguments that their culture is superior to others' culture and somehow should take precedence. "white man's burden" and all that.

Just because you think its fine, doesn't mean they should have to think its fine, especially in their own country. Since its a minior cultural thing harming no one, in contrast to whatever Miss World is supposed to be, I said with them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711095.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711095.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
 Lounge_Lizard wrote:
This is veering off-topic fast, so to sum it up:

1: I do not believe this is primarily a cultural issue. Some pressure groups used this as a way to promote their domestic political agenda. And guess what: it worked.
2: I do not believe that Frazzled is in any way a racist, but sometimes we should think a little more about what we say, and the whole white guilt trip thing is, in essence, a form of racism.
3: This horse is so dead not even the vultures will touch it.

That being said, cheers and peace out!


No the phrase was perfectly appropriate. Its a responsive statement to people making arguments that their culture is superior to others' culture and somehow should take precedence. "white man's burden" and all that.

Just because you think its fine, doesn't mean they should have to think its fine, especially in their own country. Since its a minior cultural thing harming no one, in contrast to whatever Miss World is supposed to be, I said with them.


And I say again: I sincerely doubt this was a cultural or religious issue. It was political. You're the one assuming that because Indonesia is a muslim majority country then this is obviously about culture and religion. Guess what: they have politicians as everyone else. That being said, that's my issue with this whole matter: it's not about culture, it's about control, and pressure groups doing their territorial pissings. And the pageant organization caved, when they should have simply packed up and left. And hopefully disappear into the Maelstrom.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711122.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia Pressure groups can put on pressure. Thats ok, thats democracy. I didn't see anything in the article about government involvement.

After all, if they planned to put a homosexual hating moderator on and filmed the show in San Francisco, would it be wrong for San Franciscoans who don't think highly of that to express their opinion and put pressure on, that maybe thats not a good idea? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711148.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
How is it political?
Pressure groups can put on pressure. Thats ok, thats democracy. I didn't see anything in the article about government involvement.

After all, if they planned to put a homosexual hating moderator on and filmed the show in San Francisco, would it be wrong for San Franciscoans who don't think highly of that to express their opinion and put pressure on, that maybe thats not a good idea?


Since when does a government needs to be involved into something for it to be political? Pressure groups make pressure to pursuit certain agendas. Guess what: that's politics.
And which San Franciscans would put pressure? The vast majority who has better things to do than care about what the moderator did on who or PRESSURE GROUPS that pursuit a specific political agenda?
And, FYI, everything that is done in the public arena of a democratic society that has something to do with ideas, beliefs or budgetary choices IS politics. And guess what: this little discussion of ours is, in a way, politics too.

So I guess we're both horrible human beings.

Cheers dude!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711173.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Ouze wrote:
Last year, Lady Gaga was forced to cancel her concert in Jakarta after protestors from a religious group called the pop star "a messenger of the devil," claiming her "pornographic" dance moves and barely-there outfits would destroy the country's morals.


A fair rap.


Ok, ok, you win an exalt..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711194.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711509.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
Strangely, I bet if they came to your country to tell you what to do, you'd be offended by that.

On the flip side of the coin, there wasn't a loaded gun to Indonesia's head forcing them to accept the hosting gig. They could have said, "No, thank you, the swimwear portion offends us." ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5711579.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I remain committed to opposing fascism in all it's forms, including when it masquerades as a religion.


It's more religious extremism than actual fascism.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712049.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Frazzled wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I remain committed to opposing fascism in all it's forms, including when it masquerades as a religion.


Its not religion, its culture you imperialist running capitalist dog!
Its their culture. You saying their culture is wrong in this area is cultural imperialism you imperialist you.

You know calling a Brit an Imperialist, even in jest, seems more like a complement than an insult.

Poor oppressed native: GO home you imperalist.
Brit tourist: (images of Brittania Rex flashes in his head); Thanks!


Of course it's a compliment, that's why all the imperials in Star Wars were Brits.
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Peter Cushing however...yes!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712186.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712221.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Frazzled, What happened to make you like this?


What's he like?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712301.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia >>Frazzled
>>Liking something

choose one]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712313.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia got that there were multiple ways to parse the question. That's why i asked mine.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712321.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 daedalus wrote:
Well, I got that there were multiple ways to parse the question. That's why i asked mine.


Well we can't all type as fast as you. When I hit reply you hadn't posted you. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712350.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia



Non-Bikinis were good enough for Sarah Palin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712465.page GMT Re:Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Ahtman wrote:

Well we can't all type as fast as you. When I hit reply you hadn't posted you.


Oh... err.. well, I thought you were replying to me.

Now I just feel arrogant. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5712496.page GMT Miss World Bans Bikinis so they do not offend muslim population of indonesia
 Ouze wrote:
Last year, Lady Gaga was forced to cancel her concert in Jakarta after protestors from a religious group called the pop star "a messenger of the devil," claiming her "pornographic" dance moves and barely-there outfits would destroy the country's morals.


A fair rap.

Well then one can logically conclude that they have a very weak system of morals if one female pop star can wreck the whole thing.

Friggin morons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5736208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/531895/5736208.page GMT