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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>Hq</span> <br />  Lysander 200 <br />  Vulkan 190 <br /> <br />  Troops <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad flamer and multi melta Rhino 205 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad flamer and multi melta Rhino 205 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad flamer and multi melta Sgt <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>Pw</span> and melta bombs in drop pod 235 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad Flamer and multivmelta sgt <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>Pw</span> and melta bombs in drop pod 235 <br /> <br />  Elites <br />  Assault terminators all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>Th</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>Ss</span> ( with lysander in land raider) 200 <br />  Assault terminators all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>Th</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>Ss</span> ( with Vulkan in land raider) 200 <br /> <br />  Fast <br />  Storm Talon sky-hammer Missiles 155 <br />  Storm Talon sky-hammer Missiles 155 <br /> <br />  Heavy <br />  Land raider crusader with Melta 260 <br />  Land raider crusader with Melta 260 <br /> <br />  What would you guys suggest for lower points game idk <br />  750+ onwards. Also i am thinking about adding some sternguard, so what should i have for a vulkan <br />  Based army. I also have two attack bikes w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> and a librarian, command squad with 4 plasmas, ortan and <br />  2 vindicators w/ siege shields at my disposal. <br /> <br />  Thanks.<br /> <br /> <b>All comments welcome</b><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Anyone?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:43:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you have way to many points tied <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>op</span> in the to termie units and raiders. Switch them out for a few thunderfires and also a drop pod with stern guard and Lysander. The stern guard will kill anything in the game especially things like iron armed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MCs</span>. That will get you anti hoard which is the only thing the list is really missing. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I see where the sternguard will be good but if I include them then pedro would be a better choice for lysander for them. however lysander and termies are a deadly combo for anyone. That being said <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>cm</span> melta scoring sternguard thanks to pedro and vulcan will be quite cool.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:58:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Keep in mind that Stomtalons with skyhammer missiles cost 125 pts nowdays]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:58:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not sure how concerned you are, since you have Vulcan's <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>, but the turn you deepstrike in with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on the Tacs (in pods), you have to Snapfire.  The heavy weapons while disembarking from the drop pod are counted as having moved.  <br /> <br /> Might want to try a regular melta on them. You'll most likely drop within 6" anyway unless you full scatter away.  The Rhinos with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> make sense since they are midfield campers, but utilize the drop pod's mobility and take a melta.  <br /> <br /> Edit: I'm totalling 2440 points even after I reduce the Talons prices.  What point value is this?  So many points in those two landraiders.  Yes, they will distract enemy, but if they get turn 1 pops on them, even turn2, your army becomes a lot less threatening.  I love the concept though. This might not be the best way of doing it, I'm afraid.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:33:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Would you guys say this list is still competitive with the new codex and if yes - what chapter tactics or changes would you guys make?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:21:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Vivster]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/865500a3e9b37738bb111c6b5737c593.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/533721/6163938.page"><b>Vivster wrote:</b></a><br/>Would you guys say this list is still competitive with the new codex and if yes - what chapter tactics or changes would you guys make?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> First thing you have to do is reorganize your list. Lysander is an Imperial Fist and Vulkan is a Salamander. This means you either have to remove one, or move your list around and make one primary and one an allied detachment. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:20:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Also remember Vulkan no longer gives thunder hammers master crafted, and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> are no longer free for Assault termies.  Do you have the new codex?  It's good stuff, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:50:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billboard]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/a51746f992d372bd672166bae7772d88.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/533721/6164228.page"><b>Billboard wrote:</b></a><br/>Also remember Vulkan no longer gives thunder hammers master crafted, and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> are no longer free for Assault termies.  Do you have the new codex?  It's good stuff, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Oh... Ok, I don't have the new codex yet... will try to get it atleast next week or so.<br /> However if it is not legal, do you guys suggest removing vulcan and mixing up the flamer melta combos to something more of the imperial fists would like...<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:43:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Vivster]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you want to run both special characters you will need at least three troop choices: 2 for one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and 1 for the other.  Basically, space marines from different chapters are treated as entirely separate armies that can ally with each other as Battle Brothers using the standard 6th ed rules.  The codex explains it pretty well.  Suffice it to say if you want Lysander your whole army will really like bolt weapons and if you want Vulkan you'll still like meltas and flamers.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 20 Oct 2013 05:55:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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