<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Did He know?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Did He know?
a) Back in the year 8000BC (or shortly there after) the Emperor knew that he would have to make all the decisions he's made to end up in the slowly failing Golden Throne just to give humanity a chance at survival.

or

b) He was guesstimating a lot of the time and had no idea that his loyal creations would turn against him because of the way he treated everyone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5748248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5748248.page GMT Did He know? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5748263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5748263.page GMT Did He know?
So b.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5749376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5749376.page GMT Re:Did He know? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5749414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5749414.page GMT Did He know?
He is in actuality one of the worst leaders ever. He made so many errors in basic leadership. He, through his own actions, turned Lorgar, the one whom started it all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751443.page GMT Did He know? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751578.page GMT Re:Did He know?
He explicitly and canonically had no idea the Horus Heresy was shaping up even AFTER it had started.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5751876.page GMT Did He know? HH series I've come to believe that the Emperor deliberately allowed the Heresy to happen as per the old Star Child background.

The Emperor needed to end up on the Golden Throne to eventually be reborn and destroy Chaos once and for all, the purpose for which He, the New Man, was created through the sacrifice of the ancient Shamen.

Basically the Emperor was going to create a race of Primarchs but once He saw the potential of the Heresy future allowed the Primarchs to be scattered and opted to be a living corpse instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5753822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5753822.page GMT Did He know?
 Gogsnik wrote:
It may just be an idea to keep people guessing but going by some hints throughout the HH series I've come to believe that the Emperor deliberately allowed the Heresy to happen as per the old Star Child background.

If you're going by HH, he definitely had no idea. He needed that guy in Outcast Dead to tell him the future.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5754465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5754465.page GMT Re:Did He know? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5755464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5755464.page GMT Did He know?
 DarknessEternal wrote:

If you're going by HH, he definitely had no idea. He needed that guy in Outcast Dead to tell him the future.


But you also have the Emperor seeming to pause for thought whilst the nascent Primarchs are not quite scattered. I forget which of the HH novels that scene is in but the Emperor certainly seems as if He could have stopped it happening but chose not to.

It is also mentioned that the Emperor could see the future clearly up to a point after which it becomes occluded so you can take your pick with just what and how much the Emperor percieved.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5756269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5756269.page GMT Did He know?
The big E saw the warp storm that was to scatter his children and merely turned his back and walked off instead of even attempting to stop it. Which makes me think he HAD planned for it all. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5756553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5756553.page GMT Did He know?
This leads me to B. He simply wasn't as powerful as the eccliesarchy would have you believe. His stated goal was the preservation and growth of humanity. Meanwhile, humans were starting to mutate into psykers; turning into doorways for chaos. He tried to stop that, or at least delay it, by telling everyone gods didnt exist. He failed miserably. I think it would have been far better for him to have openly taught humanity about the nature of chaos while simply destroying those who couldn't properly control themselves.

Pretending a thing doesn't exist only gives it more power when it finally shows up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5758328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5758328.page GMT Did He know?
 DarknessEternal wrote:
 Gogsnik wrote:
It may just be an idea to keep people guessing but going by some hints throughout the HH series I've come to believe that the Emperor deliberately allowed the Heresy to happen as per the old Star Child background.

If you're going by HH, he definitely had no idea. He needed that guy in Outcast Dead to tell him the future.


The Outcast Dead is the biggest continuity screw up in all of science fiction fandom, I wouldnt put much emphasis on anything in that book. It actually had Magnus contacting the Emperor after the big E knew about Horus' betrayal, which contradicts every thing written before.

That book is a true embarassment to the BL.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5758468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5758468.page GMT Did He know?
JWhex wrote:
 DarknessEternal wrote:
 Gogsnik wrote:
It may just be an idea to keep people guessing but going by some hints throughout the HH series I've come to believe that the Emperor deliberately allowed the Heresy to happen as per the old Star Child background.

If you're going by HH, he definitely had no idea. He needed that guy in Outcast Dead to tell him the future.


The Outcast Dead is the biggest continuity screw up in all of science fiction fandom, I wouldnt put much emphasis on anything in that book. It actually had Magnus contacting the Emperor after the big E knew about Horus' betrayal, which contradicts every thing written before.

That book is a true embarassment to the BL.


Listen to Wolf Hunt for an explanation attempt that doesn't really cut the mustard ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5759308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5759308.page GMT Did He know?
clively wrote:
Pretending a thing doesn't exist only gives it more power when it finally shows up.


Ignorance is bliss except when it pops out, converts and mutates your children against you and then causes a Galaxy spanning war which results in you being crippled. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5761032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5761032.page GMT Did He know? BL just using the whole the Emperor was a dumbass card every time they have to connect the dots between bits of fluff in the heresy. I mean the emperor was blatantly not a dumbass or he would never have achieved what he did. The other thing that annoys me is sometimes the emperor shows great awareness into the workings of others whilst at other times he throws a brick through their ageing grannies' living room window.

It just smacks of poor imagination to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5761588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5761588.page GMT Did He know?
Ugly Green Trog wrote:
I get annoyed with BL just using the whole the Emperor was a dumbass card every time they have to connect the dots between bits of fluff in the heresy. I mean the emperor was blatantly not a dumbass or he would never have achieved what he did. The other thing that annoys me is sometimes the emperor shows great awareness into the workings of others whilst at other times he throws a brick through their ageing grannies' living room window.

It just smacks of poor imagination to me.


I disagree. Being a tactical and logistical genius doesn't make him likable or socially capable of handling an Empire, let alone his own children who are perhaps naturally more disinclined to listen to his every word. I feel BL has been consistent in that he's very good at certain things, but it seems his under lying arrogance and ego causes him to overlook things and consider they could possibly go any way other than what he expected.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5762577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5762577.page GMT Re:Did He know? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5762584.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/534280/5762584.page GMT