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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/us/area-51-documents/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



(CNN) -- Area 51 has long been a topic of fascination for conspiracy theorists and paranormal enthusiasts, but newly released CIA documents officially acknowledge the site and suggest that the area served a far less remarkable purpose than many had supposed.

According to these reports, which include a map of the base's location in Nevada, Area 51 was merely a testing site for the government's U-2 and OXCART aerial surveillance programs. The U-2 program conducted surveillance around the world, including over the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Area 51, about 125 miles northwest of Las Vegas, is synonymous in popular culture with government secrecy, and many have theorized that it holds the answer to one of the greatest questions plaguing mankind: Are we really alone in the universe?

But the newly released documents make no mention of alien autopsy rooms or spaceship parking lots.
This information will be disappointing to some, who have come to view the area has been a mecca of sorts for alien encounters.

For these true believers, the existence of alien spacecraft at Area 51, and the government's attempts to cover up their trace, is irrefutable and has been since reports of Unidentified Flying Objects -- or UFOs -- began to emerge from the Nevada desert in the middle part of the 20th century.

The map and other documents were released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by Jeffrey T. Richelson, a senior fellow at the National Security Archives, in 2005.

Richelson submitted the request as part of his continuing study of aerial surveillance programs and told CNN that he was not given an explanation of why the new documents were less redacted than previous versions declassified by the agency.

He points out, however, that the location of Area 51 was not a particularly well-kept secret. Its location appears in books on aerial surveillance and is widely referenced in popular culture.

In fact, the map that was released in the CIA documents mirrors the one that appears after a simple Google Maps search for "Area 51."

Area 51 has also been referenced in government documents in the past, though this newest release is the first that acknowledges its existence and location in a purposeful way.

Richelson told CNN he believes this could signal a dramatic change in the government's willingness to declassify information about the famed base, meaning even more information could come out about Area 51 in the future.

The release of these reports seem to put the theories about aliens and flying saucers to rest for the time being, although they may not be enough to silence the true believers.

At least they still have Roswell, right?
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 Ouze wrote:
I posted that comment before googling Area 52 to find out it's actually a real place that has a lot of declassified stuff going on, and a few classified but non-conspiracy-friendly things going on. So, that joke kinda fell flat, sorry.


But what about area 53?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953023.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953072.page GMT Area 51 is real!
The main point to remember is that map 51 on C&C Red Alert made weird things happen in game when you played it.




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 d-usa wrote:
And what happened to 50?


Where's 1 - 49 for that matter?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953075.page GMT Area 51 is real!
PredaKhaine wrote:


Where's 1 - 49 for that matter?




Nevada Test Range.

Or probably it's Rigelan for Gulag?

[EDIT]

A better image.

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 Evil_Toast wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:


Where's 1 - 49 for that matter?

Spoiler:



Nevada Test Range.

Or probably it's Rigelan for Gulag?

[EDIT]

A better image.
Spoiler:




Cheers - although I tried going trhough the numbers and I couldn't see area 21 or 28. Have I missed tham?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953121.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953132.page GMT Area 51 is real!
PredaKhaine wrote:



Cheers - although I tried going trhough the numbers and I couldn't see area 21 or 28. Have I missed tham?


Apparently Area 21-28 were erased when the Tauran Anti-Proton Accelerator went unstable in 1957 due to Rigelan saboteurs.

Or those particular area's got erased when the boundaries were redrawn sometime ago. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953137.page GMT Area 51 is real! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953144.page GMT Area 51 is real! ZERO]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953147.page GMT Area 51 is real!
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The govt said nothing interesting nor alien went on there. They are the govt so they must be telling the truth


I don't believe them because they're the government, I believe them because there is just no way you can keep that covered up. Someone always talks, and the juicier it is, the faster it happens.

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 rubiksnoob wrote:
The true question is, "what happens if you divide by Area ZERO


When we manage to stabilize the zero point energy fluctuation's and bring Area 23's science team back from the space between Dimension 6-C and our's, you will have your answer. Damn Rigelans. Imploding their star was to light a sentence. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953156.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953159.page GMT Area 51 is real!
 Evil_Toast wrote:
 rubiksnoob wrote:
The true question is, "what happens if you divide by Area ZERO


When we manage to stabilize the zero point energy fluctuation's and bring Area 23's science team back from the space between Dimension 6-C and our's, you will have your answer. Damn Rigelans. Imploding their star was to light a sentence.


That 2nd map you showed above quite clearly shows that Area 23 is on mercury.
Are you working for the gov'ment now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953162.page GMT Area 51 is real!
Also, Area 23's science team was helping Area 21's team calibrate the flux capacitor lenses when the saboteurs struck, ergo that's why they to "were lost in an unfortunate rocket feul accident". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953178.page GMT Area 51 is real! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953190.page GMT Area 51 is real!
PredaKhaine wrote:I'll put the kettle on. How do you take your coffee?


No thanks. I don't accept food or beverages from targets people outside my circle of trust.

Deadshot wrote:They are genius'! By releasing this info all the non-die hard conspiracy theorists will let up on their conspiracies! And all the die hard "They did experiments on me!" ones will be looked at with contempt and fear.


So, business as usual?

I do find this topic quite amusing. I do strongly believe that there is sentient life out there somewhere and they could very well be centuries ahead of us in everything, but how could say, a lightning strike/a radar guided missile/power line manage to bring down their vessels. Seeing as they will be capable of traveling the vast distances here by bending the laws of physics to their will IE their tech we can't even imagine right now. And what's their fascination with people living in trailers in the middle of nowhere who make sculptures out of recycled toilet paper? Why not abduct (and anally probe them of course...What's the deal with this?) someone from say, NASA? MIT? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953210.page GMT Area 51 is real!
 Evil_Toast wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:I'll put the kettle on. How do you take your coffee?


No thanks. I don't accept food or beverages from targets people outside my circle of trust.


Don't make me go underground and form a resistance.

Deadshot wrote:They are genius'! By releasing this info all the non-die hard conspiracy theorists will let up on their conspiracies! And all the die hard "They did experiments on me!" ones will be looked at with contempt and fear.

 Evil_Toast wrote:

So, business as usual?

I do find this topic quite amusing. I do strongly believe that there is sentient life out there somewhere and they could very well be centuries ahead of us in everything, but how could say, a lightning strike/a radar guided missile/power line manage to bring down their vessels. Seeing as they will be capable of traveling the vast distances here by bending the laws of physics to their will IE their tech we can't even imagine right now. And what's their fascination with people living in trailers in the middle of nowhere who make sculptures out of recycled toilet paper? Why not abduct (and anally probe them of course...What's the deal with this?) someone from say, NASA? MIT?


Its not just people in trailers - there was a program on TV in the uk where a woman in a council house said she gets abducted up to around twenty times a day. Although not on camera.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953229.page GMT Area 51 is real!


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Cliffy_3 wrote:
Does anyone here actually believe this stuff? I'd love to hear a conspiracy theorists side.


Let me go and ask The Question for you, if he isn't too busy nailing Huntress. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953295.page GMT Re:Area 51 is real!
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rustproof wrote:Gary McKinnon(sp) was facing 70years in u.s jail for hacking nasa, supposedly he found a list of names of military personel who are E.T.'s, they are here from the future, no secret any more that we are not alone. Earth is rich in boron, gold ect, advanced humans have been collecting resources and taking them back to their time. Smashing meteorites before they wipe out life as we know it, changing history as it happens.' J rod area51' google it.


I thought they convicted him?
(either way I 100% disagree with it, considering he's got quite severe asperger's syndrome (I wouldn't say the US prison system is exactly an autism-friendly environment).

Also, in a 'not official statement' remark, one of the guys who heads up the NASA IT systems was quoted to say something along the lines of 'if I meet him in person, I'd shake his hand and thank him, by finding that security hole he saved us tens of thousands of dollars that a security consultant would have cost'


Everyone knew area 51 existed, it's pretty hard to hide an airbase. The thing with conspiracy theorists (in general, but using area 51 as an example) is that if they turn round and say 'yep, we've been fooling you all along, there are aliens at area 51, one of them is over there, say hi mr grey...' then they are right, and sit there all smug and self-righteous. However, if you say 'no there aren't any aliens here' then they will claim you're covering it up, so there are aliens there, you're just lying to everyone, so they still think they are right and sit there all smug and self-righteous. Prime example of the little-known but often-seen subspecies of humanity known to scientists as 'dorkus moronicus' if you ask me

Just thinking about it made me so angry I nearly threw my tinfoil hat across the faraday cage I've built around my house to keep out those snooping intelligence agency types
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 Ouze wrote:
I posted that comment before googling Area 52 to find out it's actually a real place that has a lot of declassified stuff going on, and a few classified but non-conspiracy-friendly things going on. So, that joke kinda fell flat, sorry.



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Fortunately, these people tend to be a kind of human mole that you really don't encounter much in daylight and normal social situations. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5953828.page GMT Re:Area 51 is real!
There are pictures of the entrance IIRC floating around.

We just didn't know what they were doing there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954027.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954105.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5954121.page GMT Area 51 is real!
 Evil_Toast wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:I'll put the kettle on. How do you take your coffee?


No thanks. I don't accept food or beverages from targets people outside my circle of trust.

Deadshot wrote:They are genius'! By releasing this info all the non-die hard conspiracy theorists will let up on their conspiracies! And all the die hard "They did experiments on me!" ones will be looked at with contempt and fear.


So, business as usual?

I do find this topic quite amusing. I do strongly believe that there is sentient life out there somewhere and they could very well be centuries ahead of us in everything, but how could say, a lightning strike/a radar guided missile/power line manage to bring down their vessels. Seeing as they will be capable of traveling the vast distances here by bending the laws of physics to their will IE their tech we can't even imagine right now. And what's their fascination with people living in trailers in the middle of nowhere who make sculptures out of recycled toilet paper? Why not abduct (and anally probe them of course...What's the deal with this?) someone from say, NASA? MIT?




Easy, recon. If they have the tech and intelligence to come here mostly undedetected, they are smart enough to realise kidnapping the best and brightest will raise questions. NASA scientist vanishes in a beam of light and the country goes nuts. War on everyone, bam! Fallout comes to life. The Alien's new colony is uninhabitable for X years.

On the other hand, a lowly drifter no one knows about or gives a rats furry behind aboit vnishes for a few days, returns claiming he's been probbed, and suddenly the hitchhiker is saying "No thanks mister, there'll be some psychopaths along in a few hours, I'll get a ride.with them."

That's my idea anyway and if I were a hostile foreign/alien invader, that's what I'd do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5955279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5955279.page GMT Re:Area 51 is real!
Here's a pretty cool article that gives an example of what kinds of stuff got worked on there. The pictures are awesome if nothing else.
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 Ouze wrote:
I don't believe them because they're the government, I believe them because there is just no way you can keep that covered up. Someone always talks, and the juicier it is, the faster it happens.

Bob Lazar allegedly talked. And as for him not having the credentials he claims his name was found in a phone book from one of the places he listed. I forget which one at the moment. Mr. Lazar also pointed out that the UFO/Alien stuff occured at Site 4, not the part of Area 51 as we think of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5961381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5961381.page GMT Area 51 is real! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5962081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546411/5962081.page GMT