<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess CSM with IG (similar CSM but more plague marines, IG is leman russ, platoon, and vendetta) and been doing well with it, but i had some really really close wins against Eldar/Daemons. I think this list is slightly stronger, but I do loose a number of las cannons/autocannons in shooting.

HQ
1a Greater Unclean One
ER, GR, LVL 3

1 Typhus

Troops
1a Plague Bearers

1 7x Plague Marines

2 21x Cultist (Zombies)

3 10x Cultist (Zombies)

Heavy
1 3x Obliterators
MoN

2 3x Obliterators
MoN

Fast Attack
1a 8x Screamers

1 Helldrake ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5968031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5968031.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969516.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess inv power, then with the grim the Screamers will get the 2+ inv. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969541.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess lvl as most other MCs, albeit slower....

Edit: I forgot CD dont have "champions of chaos" rule, so i can simply not accept challenge in that case. Precision shots are still a worry, but eh]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969704.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess HQ slot, so yes, you could have multiple Heralds.

Is Typhus T6 and does he have many wounds and high strength?

Precision shots can still be allocated via look out, sir. Only characters and snipers get it, hardly a game breaker. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5969755.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess FNP against other MCs, and has 4+D6 attacks at S6 with a force weapon, so he usually will handle an MC... also has blight grenades, so if charged by MC the MC gets -1 attacks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970140.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess MC will insta kill typhus. No fnp at s10 smashes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970451.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
Chaos chump wrote:
MC will insta kill typhus. No fnp at s10 smashes.


Nope, in those instance, as he is in with the zombies as mentioned, the zombie sergeant who also has champion of chaos will take the charge. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970617.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess MC kills the sarge? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970735.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess MC wont be able to hit him...

Either way, youre kind of missing the point of doing the list evaluation, not focusing on Typhus. Im really trying to see how the list looks overall, and Typhus is my boy so he stays :-)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5970934.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess MCs. The GUO with Balesword will eat MCs for breakfast.

I like the list in general, its a bit slow moving and darn close to pure Nurgle. Have you considered dropping the screamers for Rot Probiscus Plague Drones? They are pretty fast and rerollable 3's to wound most opponents with T5 and multiple wounds is pretty hardy. They are pretty fast and substantially more durable than the Screamers.

Maybe split the Oblits into 3x2 for flexibility. Possible split the Zombies into 3x10 for an additional objective camper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971135.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess WS spam, but the player was a bit aggressive with them)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971897.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess FMC and the Vehicular variety. Proper Wave Serpent Spam will give you fits as only your Oblits threaten them. Riptides and Wraithknights are major issues. Highly mobile shooty armies also will give you issues.

This is a solid list that will fair well against many balanced builds, but many of the unbalanced builds will be difficult to handle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971922.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess GUO and even screamers (have armorbane) can wreck them fairly quickly (in particular if the screamers have a 3++ with re-roll 1's)... But yes, they are always tough units. Flyers will be an issue even more, I do agree there. If for example I hit Necrons, i have to focus on their ground units (wriahts likely) and simply ignore the flyers the best I can outside maybe drake vector strikes. For flying MCs, i need the oblits to ground them and then I should have a better chance to deal with them.

Thanks for the thoughts, i will continue to think thru these things! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5971951.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
Zagman wrote:
Typhus is a champ, simply decline challenges vs 's MCs.


He can't decline, and has to issue challenge if possible, like all chaos characters with champion if chaos rule.

Not completely relevant to the thread in general about list, but relevant enough i think in discussing what a list can do. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5972229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5972229.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
ForgeMarine wrote:
As for the Riptides/Wraithknights, the oblits can hit them hard and fast, then GUO and even screamers (have armorbane) can wreck them fairly quickly (in particular if the screamers have a 3++ with re-roll 1's)... But yes, they are always tough units. Flyers will be an issue even more, I do agree there. If for example I hit Necrons, i have to focus on their ground units (wriahts likely) and simply ignore the flyers the best I can outside maybe drake vector strikes. For flying MCs, i need the oblits to ground them and then I should have a better chance to deal with them.

Thanks for the thoughts, i will continue to think thru these things!


I missed that the GUO would take the Grimiore. They've gotten much better in my eyes and short of a Heral in a unit, a GUO is a great place for the Grimiore.

Riptide and Wraithknights are mobile enough they should never end up in CC with the GUO.

6 Oblits firing Lascannons vs a Wraithknight deals 2 wounds without cover or a save, gets worse with Cover. And those Oblits were your best option for taking out the Wave Serpents anyway. Oblits fair slightly better vs a Riptide, 2.2 wounds, 1.1 if they overcharged thier shield generator.


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Chaos chump wrote:
Zagman wrote:
Typhus is a champ, simply decline challenges vs 's MCs.


He can't decline, and has to issue challenge if possible, like all chaos characters with champion if chaos rule.

Not completely relevant to the thread in general about list, but relevant enough i think in discussing what a list can do.


Good catch, disregard my previous statement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5972721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5972721.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
If i run into blob guard with a lot of templates, that would be another tough match up where the GUO would have to handle a blob...

Keep it coming!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973024.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
ForgeMarine wrote:
Typhus is T5 with 4W, but has a 2+/5++ and feel no pain, so basically a 5++ and 5+ FNP against other MCs, and has 4+D6 attacks at S6 with a force weapon, so he usually will handle an MC... also has blight grenades, so if charged by MC the MC gets -1 attacks


So Typhus isn't a monstrous creature then in terms of stats or model wise. You should have two big monsters for target saturation or else a single one will just get blown to bits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973092.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess GUO, so with boimancy he is hopefully going to hang around T9 or so and maybe even gain back some extra wounds (he has 6 if i can recall). He is a tough cookie... I also have the screamers dont forget, which can get a 3++ re-roll 1's from the grimoire, so they are more or less like a MC with 8 S5 ap2 amorbane attacks and 16 wounds as they are so fast. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973152.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973244.page GMT Re:1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess MCs, Greater Daemons, Riptids, WriahgtKnights.... I know exactly what an MC is, but im not sure you grasp the concept of MC equivalency, in such units as the screamers... Thats why I made the point i did]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5973456.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess HoT with multiple mastery levels, use that bad boy on a disc and throw him in with the Screamers and they have a 2+ inv. A much better deathstar instead of a single big ass monster who is going to get torrented to death by fire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5976224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/547355/5976224.page GMT 1750 CSM/CD list for Rock Con, Strong/ Weak, please assess
ForgeMarine wrote:You can't run multiple heralds in an allied detachment, right?


mercer wrote:You can take four Heralds in a HQ slot, so yes, you could have multiple Heralds.

You can only take Multiple Heralds in a Primary Detachment.
The Daemons here are taken as an Allied Detchment.
So in this case, no you can't take multiple Heralds in a single HQ slot.
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