thedarkavenger wrote:
I use them at 2400.

I run a 1+ rerollable lord with the giant blade, a BSB with the star lance & Great Weapon, a noble with a lance, a level 4 beasts mage, and 14 Dragon princes with FC and the BoTWD.

 ferret61 wrote:
I have a friend who is yet to pass a ld test with his dragon princes, not even a re-roll.

jouso wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I use them at 2400.

I run a 1+ rerollable lord with the giant blade, a BSB with the star lance & Great Weapon, a noble with a lance, a level 4 beasts mage, and 14 Dragon princes with FC and the BoTWD.

Not high magic?

I would have thought that the base 6+ ward of the DP made them an ideal candidate for the lore attribute.

I can see what that unit can do with Savage Beast on them, though.

 Vulcan wrote:
Savage Beast does squat for the unit itself. It only boost characters, and even then it only boosts one character unless you go for the big version.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Savage Beast does squat for the unit itself. It only boost characters, and even then it only boosts one character unless you go for the big version.

The boosted version gives you 6 S9, and 13 S10 on the charge, which you should be getting because of your redirectors. High elf combat characters are horrifically efficient due to their rerolls vs most things and their high WS.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Savage Beast does squat for the unit itself. It only boost characters, and even then it only boosts one character unless you go for the big version.

The boosted version gives you 6 S9, and 13 S10 on the charge, which you should be getting because of your redirectors. High elf combat characters are horrifically efficient due to their rerolls vs most things and their high WS.

 Vulcan wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Savage Beast does squat for the unit itself. It only boost characters, and even then it only boosts one character unless you go for the big version.

The boosted version gives you 6 S9, and 13 S10 on the charge, which you should be getting because of your redirectors. High elf combat characters are horrifically efficient due to their rerolls vs most things and their high WS.

How? Savage Beast only works on characters.

 Vulcan wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Savage Beast does squat for the unit itself. It only boost characters, and even then it only boosts one character unless you go for the big version.

The boosted version gives you 6 S9, and 13 S10 on the charge, which you should be getting because of your redirectors. High elf combat characters are horrifically efficient due to their rerolls vs most things and their high WS.

How? Savage Beast only works on characters. Period. Even the big version only works on characters. The unit DOES NOT GET THE BOOST from Savage Beast.

I'm not arguing that Savage Beast isn't wonderful for characters. But since it doesn't affect the unit at all, you could run five characters with Savage Beast in a unit of skaven slaves and get the same result.

 Vulcan wrote:
Ah. My mistak on the damage output of the characters alone.

At that point why even bother with Dragon Princes? As has been mentioned you can run Silver Helms instead, for fewer points and out of your core requirements, to much the same effect. In a standard 5-wide bus they only loose two S5 attacks to the Dragon Princes.

 Vulcan wrote:
If you are dumb enough to throw your BoEF unit at Dragon Princes, you get what you deserve. I wouldn't base a strategy on it, though.

I see your point about the magic banner, though... doubtless the BotWD, of course. I got to deal with one of those a game or two back.

5 harpies and 50 Executioners saw them off just fine. But then I did sucker him into charging the harpies (it was either that or wait for his Phoenix Guard to move, as I had him penned in against the PG).

 Vulcan wrote:
Ah. My mistak on the damage output of the characters alone.

At that point why even bother with Dragon Princes? As has been mentioned you can run Silver Helms instead, for fewer points and out of your core requirements, to much the same effect. In a standard 5-wide bus they only loose two S5 attacks to the Dragon Princes.

 Vulcan wrote:
At the cost of how many more points spent on this unit, AND having to spend still more points on your core tax...

I still say you could stash those characters with that boost into a unit of Skaven slaves and get much the same results.

 Vulcan wrote:
Which puts you firmly into Deathstar territory. I hope you like killing a handful of 50-100 point units with your deathstar, because that's all a good player is going to let you have... while the rest of his army goes off to smash the rest of yours, for a 1000-500 VP victory.

 Vulcan wrote:
Which puts you firmly into Deathstar territory. I hope you like killing a handful of 50-100 point units with your deathstar, because that's all a good player is going to let you have... while the rest of his army goes off to smash the rest of yours, for a 1000-500 VP victory.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Which puts you firmly into Deathstar territory. I hope you like killing a handful of 50-100 point units with your deathstar, because that's all a good player is going to let you have... while the rest of his army goes off to smash the rest of yours, for a 1000-500 VP victory.

Have you ever tried controlling a game against someone with 1400 points of chaff?

Whenever I used the bus, I managed to get it where I needed it because I controlled the movement phase. Which was because I had 1400 points of chaff.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Which puts you firmly into Deathstar territory. I hope you like killing a handful of 50-100 point units with your deathstar, because that's all a good player is going to let you have... while the rest of his army goes off to smash the rest of yours, for a 1000-500 VP victory.

Have you ever tried controlling a game against someone with 1400 points of chaff?

Whenever I used the bus, I managed to get it where I needed it because I controlled the movement phase. Which was because I had 1400 points of chaff.

 Vulcan wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Which puts you firmly into Deathstar territory. I hope you like killing a handful of 50-100 point units with your deathstar, because that's all a good player is going to let you have... while the rest of his army goes off to smash the rest of yours, for a 1000-500 VP victory.

Have you ever tried controlling a game against someone with 1400 points of chaff?

Whenever I used the bus, I managed to get it where I needed it because I controlled the movement phase. Which was because I had 1400 points of chaff.

Repeater crossbows and DE chaff make short work of HE chaff.

Or I could bring my Khainite list, and the only thing you have to fight (aside from chaff) is 30 Witches... or 50 Executioners. And you'd have to work hard to take the witches without getting the Executioners. Your wonderful BotWD does nothing against KB...

buckero0 wrote:
I d run the DP as flankers, if you want to run a bus, go ahead and take silver helms, the characters do all the work anyway and they are cheap and resilient compared to most core troops.

buckero0 wrote:
I d run the DP as flankers, if you want to run a bus, go ahead and take silver helms, the characters do all the work anyway and they are cheap and resilient compared to most core troops.