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				<description><![CDATA[ Does anybody know of a website that sells black primer for relatively good price ie not £10.00 like games workshop I used to order army painter  from triplehelix for £6.00 but they have informed me due to Royal Mail updating thier rules they can no longer post aerosols.<br /> <br /> I have found several shops in my local town that sell plastikote primer but I'm not sure whether its any good or suitable for minis. I have bought halfords white primer and that does seem rather good compared to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span>'s primer but I really need a black.<br /> <br /> I have checked my local B&Q and they sell this but it's still £8.00<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/paint-woodcare/specialist-paints/spray_paint/Plasti-Kote-Super-Spray-Primer-Black-400ml-9254058?skuId=9261757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/paint-woodcare/specialist-paints/spray_paint/Plasti-Kote-Super-Spray-Primer-Black-400ml-9254058?skuId=9261757</a><br /> <br /> Do the undercoats specifically have to be a "primer" or will any matt black spray do the trick?<br /> <br /> Thanks in advance]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 15:02:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A primer coat needs to be primer - primer is chemically different than normal paint - designed to adhere to your model, and designed to allow other paint to stick to it.<br /> (if your primer is also the same color as your base model color, what you might be calling "undercoat" thats just a bonus).<br /> <br /> I use the rustolem 2x cover primer from the hardware store here in the colonies, but I could not seem to find it from any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span> supplier.<br /> <br /> Hopefully someone else more familiar with your region might be more useful....]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 16:40:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I know a lot of the guys in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span> swear by Halford's primer.  I personally use Krylon black primer and have no problems at all.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 18:06:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the help guys I'm not sure i can get krylon in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>, unfortunately I don't think halfords do a black primer]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 19:31:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I promise you, Halfords do a black primer!<br /> <a href="http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.halfords.com/webapp/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(195);'>wcs</span>/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4</a><br /> <br /> Ok, not strictly defined as a primer, but them the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Chaos Black isn't strictly a primer either. This will do the job though. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 19:34:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wayland games Sells colour primers from montana for about £6.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 20:26:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sing your life]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/89d430d85d83f218a2c87d99c6417a33.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6025562.page"><b>azreal13 wrote:</b></a><br/>I promise you, Halfords do a black primer!<br /> <a href="http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.halfords.com/webapp/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(195);'>wcs</span>/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4</a><br /> <br /> Ok, not strictly defined as a primer, but them the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Chaos Black isn't strictly a primer either. This will do the job though. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Have you used this yourself?<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f15e9d0b1fbdc86259805b6b6b22fb1f.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6025670.page"><b>sing your life wrote:</b></a><br/>Wayland games Sells colour primers from montana for about £6.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Thanks for the help but they also want to charge £6.00 delivery as Royal Mail are crap and don't take sprays anymore :(]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:08:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ kelewan]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6025902.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/89d430d85d83f218a2c87d99c6417a33.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6025562.page"><b>azreal13 wrote:</b></a><br/>I promise you, Halfords do a black primer!<br /> <a href="http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.halfords.com/webapp/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(195);'>wcs</span>/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab4</a><br /> <br /> Ok, not strictly defined as a primer, but them the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Chaos Black isn't strictly a primer either. This will do the job though. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Have you used this yourself?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not in a looong time, as I do most of my priming with an airbrush these days, but yes, back in the day. Its a can of matt black spray acrylic, you can overthink these things a bit too much, try it on a test model, if for some bizarre reason its not good, move on, we aren't talking gold bullion here!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:29:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Krylon is the best I've found. I read that you didn't know if you could find Krylon in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span> though. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:29:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Sep 2013 23:03:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ War&Pieces]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Sep 2013 08:36:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027245.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's not great. It's glossy and smelly. It will prime and paint over just fine but not value for money in my opinion.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was going to suggest the Wal-mart primers but you [and I] live in the wrong country.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ sing your life]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Bought some black sprays paint from halfords it was awful glad I had a test mini, I'm going to give in and buy some army painter from ebay ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't know if you've used Army Painter before or not, but I've run in to so many problems with Army Painter I generally don't use considering Army Painter is.. What? All of a quid cheaper than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>? I would actually recommend <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> for black primer waaayyyy over Army Painter. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:31:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ War&Pieces]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028408.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>I don't know if you've used Army Painter before or not, but I've run in to so many problems with Army Painter I generally don't use considering Army Painter is.. What? All of a quid cheaper than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>? I would actually recommend <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> for black primer waaayyyy over Army Painter. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Army Painter primer needs a fair bit of practice: you need to do it indoors, and spray close, about 6 inches. With practice, I've found the skeleton bone gives really good results - it's still not as thin as the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> white primer, though, when seems to get into nooks and crannies really well, perhaps ti's smaller paint particles. There are some <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> primers, yellow in particular which are no good at all. I've only tried <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span>, tamiya and humbrol sprays recetnly, and I haven't tried the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> black, but it's hard to argue against <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>, which does give really good coverage and has to be worth the investment considering the cost if you mess up .]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:52:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hivefleet Oblivion]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027373.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027245.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's not great. It's glossy and smelly. It will prime and paint over just fine but not value for money in my opinion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It can be a bit pants sometimes - you need to make sure you are not getting the enamal sprays as well. I used to use it all the time until I got back into Halfords sprays.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ SilverMK2]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7315d838ce07cbd7aeef23c64148aeaf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028508.page"><b>SilverMK2 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027373.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027245.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's not great. It's glossy and smelly. It will prime and paint over just fine but not value for money in my opinion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It can be a bit pants sometimes - you need to make sure you are not getting the enamal sprays as well. I used to use it all the time until I got back into Halfords sprays.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Which halfords black spray do you use?, I bought one today a new type artfx I think it's called or something thought I'd give it a bash and it left a stippled effect and came off easily ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028530.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/>Which halfords black spray do you use?, I bought one today a new type artfx I think it's called or something thought I'd give it a bash and it left a stippled effect and came off easily </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I only undercoat in grey or white unfortunately, so I do not use their black.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028530.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7315d838ce07cbd7aeef23c64148aeaf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028508.page"><b>SilverMK2 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027373.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027245.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's not great. It's glossy and smelly. It will prime and paint over just fine but not value for money in my opinion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It can be a bit pants sometimes - you need to make sure you are not getting the enamal sprays as well. I used to use it all the time until I got back into Halfords sprays.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Which halfords black spray do you use?, I bought one today a new type artfx I think it's called or something thought I'd give it a bash and it left a stippled effect and came off easily </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, I can see Artfx is wrong purely by virtue of the fact it states it has a satin finish. <br /> <br /> Matt is almost compulsory for a primer, anything with a smooth finish, be it satin or gloss, is no good for a primer in basically all applications. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 Sep 2013 00:54:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Azreal13]]></author>
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				<title>Black underocoat/primer</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/89d430d85d83f218a2c87d99c6417a33.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6029440.page"><b>azreal13 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028530.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7315d838ce07cbd7aeef23c64148aeaf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6028508.page"><b>SilverMK2 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027373.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6027245.page"><b>kelewan wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b45d06038a386d2c1a04cfe725997d43.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550608/6026051.page"><b>War&Pieces wrote:</b></a><br/>Plastikote will do the job but in my experience for the quality vs price you might as well buy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I take it plastikote is a bit rubbish</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's not great. It's glossy and smelly. It will prime and paint over just fine but not value for money in my opinion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It can be a bit pants sometimes - you need to make sure you are not getting the enamal sprays as well. I used to use it all the time until I got back into Halfords sprays.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Which halfords black spray do you use?, I bought one today a new type artfx I think it's called or something thought I'd give it a bash and it left a stippled effect and came off easily </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, I can see Artfx is wrong purely by virtue of the fact it states it has a satin finish. <br /> <br /> Matt is almost compulsory for a primer, anything with a smooth finish, be it satin or gloss, is no good for a primer in basically all applications. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I bought the matt finish one, still did a pants job]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:05:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ kelewan]]></author>
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