Lehnsherr wrote:
I ran a unit of 3 Dev Cents with TL LC and ML today. They are expensive, but they were my best performing unit. I have taken to allying in DA. I use a DA Librarian with a PFG accompanying my Cents. With a 4++ they are far more durable, and have the opportunity to earn their points back. Not to mention the Libby can prescience other units in my backfield.

Lehnsherr wrote:
I had a long debate with a friend recently in regards to this.

You have no choice but to put the Assault Centurions in a Land Raider. Cost wise they are already WAY above the TH/SS squad. If they are not in a transport they won't make it across the field due to the massed amounts of AP 2 shooting you see out there and the fact that they can't run. Riptides, Plasma spam, Lascannon spam, basically anything AP 2 will really hurt the Centurions. For basically the same cost you could have a unit of 10 TH / SS Terminators and Deepstrike them where you need them. They can't assault the turn they arrive but they have far greater survivability.

So compare 3 Centurions stock inside a Land Raider against 10 TH/SS. Against shooting units, the 10 TH/SS will perform far better due to volume of attacks. It doesn't matter that you are striking at I1 as nothing in a shooting unit (in assault) will pose any threat to a 2+/3++

Against assault type units, the TH/SS are far more reliable with far more survivability.

**Edit**

Just for fun lets say a unit of 3 centurions got the assault on a unit of 10 TH/SS. They are very close in points (440 to 450)

I'll use a stock Raider but I can do the comparison with a crusader or redeemer if you like. We will also say the raider moved 6, cents disembark up to 6 to get the assault off, so the Raider can fire 2 weapons at full BS.

0.5 models killed by the Land Raiders twin linked Lascannons.
0.1 models killed by the Land Raiders twin linked Heavy Bolter

3 Centurions armed with twin linked flamers and hurricane bolters (for arguments sake, all 10 terminators are hit by the flamers)

2.4 models killed by the Flamers
1.3 models killed by the Hurricane Bolters

Attacks from the Centurions

1.4 models killed by the Centurions attacks

5.7 terminators dead before they strike back. Lets call it 6 dead Terminators

Terminators strike back

Terminators cause 3.34 unsaveable wounds to your Centurions, that's 1 dead and 1 wound on a 2nd and now the centurions are striking at i1 too.

Lehnsherr wrote:
What happens if you don't roll gate?

Seems like a massive gamble to take when you are using over 250 points that may end up being useless if you don't roll the psychic ability. I'd rather not take the 84% chance my unit becomes a waste.

You could take Mastery Level 2, increase your odds, increase your cost, and now you'd have a unit thats close to 300 points with only a 33% chance of being useful. Not something I would ever want to gamble on.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Lehnsherr wrote:
What happens if you don't roll gate?

Seems like a massive gamble to take when you are using over 250 points that may end up being useless if you don't roll the psychic ability. I'd rather not take the 84% chance my unit becomes a waste.

You could take Mastery Level 2, increase your odds, increase your cost, and now you'd have a unit thats close to 300 points with only a 33% chance of being useful. Not something I would ever want to gamble on.

Then take 2 ML2 Libbies.